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Assembly of Women (Ecclesiazusae)
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Ecclesiazusae, probably produced in 391 BC, is at once a typically Aristophanic fantasy of gender inversion, obscenity and farce, the earliest surviving work in the western Utopian tradition, and the source of a blueprint for a communist society on which Plato may well have drawn in his Republic.
124 pages, Paperback
First published January 1,-0392
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124 pages, Paperback
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April 1, 1997 by Prometheus
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9781573921336
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1573921335
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Praxagora
Praxagora is the lead character in Aristophanes play The Assemblywomen (circa 392 B.C.E.). She and her female comrades conceive a plan to wrest control of Athenian governance. Disguised as men, they enter the Assembly and vote on a measure that will hand ...
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Aristophanes (Greek: Αριστοφάνης; c. 446 – c. 386 BC) was an Ancient Greek comic playwright from Athens and a poet of Old Attic Comedy. He wrote in total forty plays, of which eleven survive virtually complete today. These provide the most valuable examples of a genre of comic drama known as Old Comedy and are used to define it, along with fragments from dozens of lost plays by Aristophanes and his contemporaries.
Also known as "The Father of Comedy" and "the Prince of Ancient Comedy", Aristophanes has been said to recreate the life of ancient Athens more convincingly than any other author. His powers of ridicule were feared and acknowledged by influential contemporaries; Plato singled out Aristophanes' play The Clouds as slander that contributed to the trial and subsequent condemning to death of Socrates, although other satirical playwrights had also caricatured the philosopher.
Aristophanes' second play, The Babylonians (now lost), was denounced by Cleon as a slander against the Athenian polis. It is possible that the case was argued in court, but details of the trial are not recorded and Aristophanes caricatured Cleon mercilessly in his subsequent plays, especially The Knights, the first of many plays that he directed himself. "In my opinion," he says through that play's Chorus, "the author-director of comedies has the hardest job of all."
Also known as "The Father of Comedy" and "the Prince of Ancient Comedy", Aristophanes has been said to recreate the life of ancient Athens more convincingly than any other author. His powers of ridicule were feared and acknowledged by influential contemporaries; Plato singled out Aristophanes' play The Clouds as slander that contributed to the trial and subsequent condemning to death of Socrates, although other satirical playwrights had also caricatured the philosopher.
Aristophanes' second play, The Babylonians (now lost), was denounced by Cleon as a slander against the Athenian polis. It is possible that the case was argued in court, but details of the trial are not recorded and Aristophanes caricatured Cleon mercilessly in his subsequent plays, especially The Knights, the first of many plays that he directed himself. "In my opinion," he says through that play's Chorus, "the author-director of comedies has the hardest job of all."
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Kocalarının kıyafetlerini çalarak meclise giden kadınların yönetimi erkeklerden kadınlara verdiği "Kadın Mebuslar / Assembly of Women", Aristophanes'in ne kadar ileri görüşlü bir komedya yazarı olduğunu kanıtlayan çağının çok ötesinde bir yergi örneği. Ataerkil yönetim biçimini ağır bir dille eleştiren yapısıyla "Kadın Mebuslar"da kadınlar erkeklerin normal olarak gördüğü şeyleri kendilerine uyarlayarak eşitsizliği okuyucunun gözüne sokuyor. Yönetimi ele geçiren kadınların yeni bir yasayla cinsel ilişkiyi serbest hale getirmesi ve bunu yaparken erkeklerin öncelikli olarak yaşlı kadınlarla yatmak zorunda kalması oyunun mizahi tonunu destekliyor. Ortaya koyulan komünist düzenle Platon'un "Devlet"ini fazlasıyla hatırlatan oyunda alttan alta bir Platon'a bir eleştiri hissedilse de oyunun "Devlet"ten önce yazılmış olması akılda soru işareti barındırıyor. Buna ek olarak müstehcen diliyle Hipponax'ın şiirlerini hatırlatan oyunun mizahi düzeyi o kadar yüksek ki sanırım "Kadın Mebuslar" Aristophanes'in en sevdiğim oyunu olarak kalacak.
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It really suprised me that this was written before Plato's Republic 'couse it looks like a really fitting parody of it, some ideas presented are in fact the same (shared property, everyone could be your dad so do not hit older man...) and Proxagora really reminds me of Socrates (much more than Socrates from Clouds ).
It's marvelous how he mixes dealing with serious topics, satirizing more things at once, suprisingly good arguments with very funny comedy. Although response to some crisis they have back then it really interests even contemporary reader. It could have less jokes about shiting but otherwise it's just great.
Read it, especially if you read (at least part) of Republic and felt that it's odd.
It's marvelous how he mixes dealing with serious topics, satirizing more things at once, suprisingly good arguments with very funny comedy. Although response to some crisis they have back then it really interests even contemporary reader. It could have less jokes about shiting but otherwise it's just great.
Read it, especially if you read (at least part) of Republic and felt that it's odd.
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Strange short little play.
A bunch of Athenian women crossdress as men, show up to the Assembly, and convince the male citizens to hand over control over all of Athens to the women. Chaos ensues.
Aristophanes' Assemblywomen seems like a spoof on Plato's Republic, though it was written prior chronologically (in 391 BCE). Many radical policies are proposed and enacted — the abolishment of private property, communal living, sexual communism (citizens can sleep with whoever they want), and equal distribution of goods.
The twist? The new laws are interpreted in the most extreme (and satirical) way possible. Men are required to sleep with the oldest, ugliest women before they can sleep with young, beautiful women for "equality's sake" (?). Children will not know who their father is, so everyone will be father of everyone, thereby removing the possibility of violence (?). If everyone has an equal share in the land and food, there will be "no need" for thievery or greed (?).
I've recently read a long string of lengthy (and rather dry) ancient texts, so it was a pleasant surprise to read a breezy, unserious, and mildly amusing piece. Man, these ancient dudes sure had a dirty sense of humor. Some things don't change.
I have no idea whether this play is pure satire, social commentary, or a veiled critique of the impossibility of a utopian regime. I also can't tell if its sexist or feminist haha...
On one hand, it paints the Greek women as emboldened, strategic, and powerful. Their husbands literally shit themselves without the help of their wives. Through the hypothetical radical upheaval of society, Aristophanes questions the (unjustified?) gender inequality in present Athenian society.
On the other hand, the play is also like... look at all these silly women trying to create a government... "communalism" and "equality" before the law leads to a preposterous disaster! The new government is painted as a foolish thought experiment that ends up with old hags forcing young men into their beds. Honestly, it seems like a strong case for why women perhaps shouldn't rule.
If someone ever ends up reading this (they won't), let me know your thoughts. (3.44/5 stars.)
A bunch of Athenian women crossdress as men, show up to the Assembly, and convince the male citizens to hand over control over all of Athens to the women. Chaos ensues.
Aristophanes' Assemblywomen seems like a spoof on Plato's Republic, though it was written prior chronologically (in 391 BCE). Many radical policies are proposed and enacted — the abolishment of private property, communal living, sexual communism (citizens can sleep with whoever they want), and equal distribution of goods.
The twist? The new laws are interpreted in the most extreme (and satirical) way possible. Men are required to sleep with the oldest, ugliest women before they can sleep with young, beautiful women for "equality's sake" (?). Children will not know who their father is, so everyone will be father of everyone, thereby removing the possibility of violence (?). If everyone has an equal share in the land and food, there will be "no need" for thievery or greed (?).
I've recently read a long string of lengthy (and rather dry) ancient texts, so it was a pleasant surprise to read a breezy, unserious, and mildly amusing piece. Man, these ancient dudes sure had a dirty sense of humor. Some things don't change.
I have no idea whether this play is pure satire, social commentary, or a veiled critique of the impossibility of a utopian regime. I also can't tell if its sexist or feminist haha...
On one hand, it paints the Greek women as emboldened, strategic, and powerful. Their husbands literally shit themselves without the help of their wives. Through the hypothetical radical upheaval of society, Aristophanes questions the (unjustified?) gender inequality in present Athenian society.
On the other hand, the play is also like... look at all these silly women trying to create a government... "communalism" and "equality" before the law leads to a preposterous disaster! The new government is painted as a foolish thought experiment that ends up with old hags forcing young men into their beds. Honestly, it seems like a strong case for why women perhaps shouldn't rule.
If someone ever ends up reading this (they won't), let me know your thoughts. (3.44/5 stars.)
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A group of women don fakes beards and their husbands' cloaks, all to attend the male assembly and convince the Athenians to turn the city's rule over to those more competent: the women.
Ok. This play is, eh... Hmm. I'm struggling to know where I should begin. Let's start off with a different Aristophanes' play, the Thesmophoriazusae which is all about the women of Athens hating Euripides' misogynistic plays so much that they decide to kill him. I hoped Euripides replied with some lost Satyr play about the female Athenians reacting to The Ecclesiazusae because, ho-ly shit, is this terrible. I felt near on shellshocked after reading this, and couldn't understand how the same bloke who created the Lysistrata wrote this thing. Then I remember Plutus and say 'oh, right'.
Having gained their power, the women essentially create a free love commune. All wealth is put into a public fund, so now theft is impossible. Meals are served at one giant table for all, so everyone's equal (except the slaves). Sex is free and open, with the only stipulations being free folk and slaves cannot have sex with each other, and the ugliest citizens must always be erotically served first *Socrates roars approvingly*. The women are, apparently, perfectly fine with shagging the least appealing of the male sex, but Aristophanes gives us a scene from the opposite perspective, where a handsome young man tries to visit his girlfriend and is apprehended by three old women, who insist he must deal with them first, ignore his protests and drag him away to rape him. What the ever Zeus-loving fuck, Aristophanes?
I remember Plutus being very mean spirited, but this play is far worse. The humour is cruder, such as this line about a man with constipation ‘I really think there must be a wild pear obstructing my rectum’, there's lots of talk about fondling buttocks or grabbing privates, and some terrible descriptions of the bodies of old women, with suggestions they should 'stop up their holes'.
This is one of those stories that hates everyone: men are stupid and women are devious. Wikipedia informs me this is less a play about female rule, and more an accusation against the Athenian male elite being both incompetent and effeminate. That might have been his argument, but it does nothing to excuse just how tasteless and cruel this whole mess is.
I happened to read this while drunk and, though I don't reccomend you read the play, I would suggest you get utterly pissed if you do, because it'll make it a hell of a lot easier.
Ok. This play is, eh... Hmm. I'm struggling to know where I should begin. Let's start off with a different Aristophanes' play, the Thesmophoriazusae which is all about the women of Athens hating Euripides' misogynistic plays so much that they decide to kill him. I hoped Euripides replied with some lost Satyr play about the female Athenians reacting to The Ecclesiazusae because, ho-ly shit, is this terrible. I felt near on shellshocked after reading this, and couldn't understand how the same bloke who created the Lysistrata wrote this thing. Then I remember Plutus and say 'oh, right'.
Having gained their power, the women essentially create a free love commune. All wealth is put into a public fund, so now theft is impossible. Meals are served at one giant table for all, so everyone's equal (except the slaves). Sex is free and open, with the only stipulations being free folk and slaves cannot have sex with each other, and the ugliest citizens must always be erotically served first *Socrates roars approvingly*. The women are, apparently, perfectly fine with shagging the least appealing of the male sex, but Aristophanes gives us a scene from the opposite perspective, where a handsome young man tries to visit his girlfriend and is apprehended by three old women, who insist he must deal with them first, ignore his protests and drag him away to rape him. What the ever Zeus-loving fuck, Aristophanes?
I remember Plutus being very mean spirited, but this play is far worse. The humour is cruder, such as this line about a man with constipation ‘I really think there must be a wild pear obstructing my rectum’, there's lots of talk about fondling buttocks or grabbing privates, and some terrible descriptions of the bodies of old women, with suggestions they should 'stop up their holes'.
This is one of those stories that hates everyone: men are stupid and women are devious. Wikipedia informs me this is less a play about female rule, and more an accusation against the Athenian male elite being both incompetent and effeminate. That might have been his argument, but it does nothing to excuse just how tasteless and cruel this whole mess is.
I happened to read this while drunk and, though I don't reccomend you read the play, I would suggest you get utterly pissed if you do, because it'll make it a hell of a lot easier.
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KKKKKKKKKK MELHOR TEATRO DE ARISTÓFANES ATÉ AGORA.
Se esse não for o primeiro escrito "socialista" da história é um dos que mais comprova que socialismo não dá certo.
Fico imaginando esse teatro sendo encenado, com o final que foi espetacular.
Mostra muito bem a natureza feminina e motivações. Além de novamente ter muita similaridade com nossos dilemas atuais.
“E essas medidas salvadoras? Quando deliberam sobre elas, parece que o mundo acabaria se não fossem aprovadas; depois, tem-se vontade de matar o autor de tais projetos, tão grande é a decepção! É preciso aumentar os impostos? Os pobres se conformam, os ricos esbravejam!”
Gostei muito!
Se esse não for o primeiro escrito "socialista" da história é um dos que mais comprova que socialismo não dá certo.
Fico imaginando esse teatro sendo encenado, com o final que foi espetacular.
Mostra muito bem a natureza feminina e motivações. Além de novamente ter muita similaridade com nossos dilemas atuais.
“E essas medidas salvadoras? Quando deliberam sobre elas, parece que o mundo acabaria se não fossem aprovadas; depois, tem-se vontade de matar o autor de tais projetos, tão grande é a decepção! É preciso aumentar os impostos? Os pobres se conformam, os ricos esbravejam!”
Gostei muito!
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Από τις καλύτερες χιουμοριστικές κοινωνικο-πολιτικες, φεμινιστικες θα ελεγα σατιρες. Είναι πραγματικά απίστευτο πόσο πρωτοποριακή κι επίκαιρη είναι η συγκεκριμένη κωμωδία, ενώ μας χωρίζουν χιλιάδες χρόνια από την εποχή εκείνη, και πόσο δίκαιες οι νομοθετικές αλλαγές ενώ παράλληλα άκρως κωμικές. Απλά τα πράγματα... Η εξουσία στις γυναίκες.
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The Complete Plays of Aristophanes
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The Complete Plays of Aristophanes
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