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I've re-read it one more time. I forget that the journey is not outside of us, but is within us. Dante is not talking about others who are in hell, or purgatory, or Paradise, since we are all exile (out-side of our islands). For each of us the pieces of ourselves are fragmented . Unlike most people, I prefer the Paradise section most of all, each step in paradise shows the different intelligibility that we need to find meaning in what seems to be a meaningless life.
I read Dante for the first time three years ago, then again, a year ago, and then again, last week, and then I reread it this week. In addition, I watched the Yale course, Dante in Translation for the third time last week, while concurrently reading Virgil’s Aeneid, and read Dante’s de Monarachia, and recently I just finished reading the Old Testament and Maimonides’ Guide for the Perplex. Also, about a week ago I listened to the course by Sr. Mary Clement Davlin on the Divine Comedy (I want to note that her course was the best overall resource for me in order to understand The Comedy). There’s a reason why Dante’s worth all this trouble. Simply put, in order to understand the Medieval age and it’s beginning of the end and the start of Humanism one must understand The Comedy, and without understanding history one cannot understand who we are today.
Of all the books ever written there is no stronger evidence for the likelihood that the author is a time traveler from the future than this book if one assumes that the time traveler is forced to explain only within the paradigms of his time period while subtly overturning the given worldview by explaining everything the current generation thought they knew about themselves within their own parameters while laying a foundation for a new way of understanding the world.
Scholasticism is best demolished by a scholastic by using its own language. Dante summarizes Medieval history with his encyclopedic rendering of how the Medieval mind thought of itself as itself allowing for the beginning of the ending of the predomination of scholastic thought while setting the stage for what will soon come to pass while explaining the world in terms of the human rather than the divine by using the divine as a way to bring humans back into the world and thus becoming arguably the first Humanist.
Dante doesn’t mention Maimonides or his Guide for the Perplex, but he does mention Avicenna and Averroes and embraces Aristotle as they both think in Aristotelian terms. Aquinas, who is prominently placed in Paradise, synthesizes Aristotle with Augustine and respects Avicenna so much he just refers to him as the commentator for his ability in explaining Aristotle. (I want to note that Plotinus is not in Dante at least I don’t think he was, but pseudo-Dionisius is, and Aquinas relies heavily on both. I just find that an interesting oversight by Dante. It might not be clear to you, but Augustine synthesizes Plotinus with Cicero giving us his Christianity and Augustine is a major character within Dante).
Aquinas puts reason before faith, Bonaventure will put faith before reason. Each are in paradise as is St. Francis who will marry Lady Poverty so that love, that is the primo mobile, will shake the universe into existence since our will of our will gives us our freedom to choose beyond our nature and forces us to own ourselves and actualize our own authenticity. Those who make no choice are making a choice and will be outside of the Gates of Inferno and must remain in limbo forever and a day.
All of wisdom (according to the Count of Monte Cristo) is contained in these two words: wait and hope. Hope is a verb of the future. It is always an expectation of something to come. The ontological difference between knowledge and faith is hope at least according to Dante. I would like to note that Pandora released all of the evils into the world except for one, namely hope. The Greeks were suspicious of hope and made hope a vice as they would make pride a virtue. Dante makes hope a virtue and pride a vice. Heidegger will shake the foundations of Philosophy in 1927 with his Being and Time and he makes care his foundation for human being, care is another verb of the future.
The ultimate good is a contemplation of the divine and the consideration of justice while in Dante’s Paradise. We live in a world such that the thinking and the doing, the mind and the body, the action and the thought do not ever meet. Hegel will try to reconcile sense certainty with the truth outside of us and often would appeal to Dante in his expositions. Dante knows the problem with contingency and necessity while trying to preserve freewill in the face of human nature and our choices within an uncertain world.
All of this is also within Dante and he’ll tell you through his musical rhetoric and will always tell you what he is trying to tell you but sometimes reveals the reasons slowly. It’s not important to know all the characters he introduces because he’ll tell you why they are in his story but sometimes he doesn’t let you know until the last line of the Canto or sometimes not even until the next Canto. By all means, read the Clive James translation first since he will integrate what others have said in footnotes seamlessly into his translation.
All of Kant’s antinomies are laid out within Purgatory within the different Cantos. Hegel’s dialectic approach is too. All of philosophy until Kant and shortly after as modified by Hegel would say that ‘the truth is out there’, Dante is a partial exception to that rule about philosophers who came before Kant. He knows that Leah will act while Rachel must think and that the supreme good is an infinite that the finite will struggle with before fully grasping that certainty remains elusive. Yes, Dante is writing a poem (music with rhetoric) but he definitely lays a foundation for what will be coming, and, oh yeah, one really needs to read Vico’s New Science in order to see some of Dante’s influence, both realize that we exist in a Bayesian world because our memories evolve as our imagination overcomes the now.
One of my favorite sentences from a recent book I read is ‘most Enlightenment thinkers were Pelagians’. You can bet that Dante was too. He makes a point that prayer makes a difference. Augustine would not; Pelagius would. Augustine would say God’s grace is freely given and that there are two separate magisterial that don’t intersect, the City of God and the City of Man; Pelagius would not. Dante does lay this out clumsily in his de Monarachia which makes what he is saying in The Comedy all the more understandable, though he doesn’t acknowledge Pelagius.
Dante would even hint that those from the Ganges, who believe nature is God and God is nature (as he believed the Hindus did, and how Spinoza will later) and those who believe love is all you need as St. Francis of Assisi and St. Bonaventure did, or those who make God outside of the world and not knowable by mortals such as the Saracens are just as worthy as those who believe God came to earth as a man and was more than just an apparition as the heterodox belief of a Roman Emperor who saw the errors of his way. Yes, Dante will place the unbaptized infants and the pagans not in Paradise, but Dante similarly to Pelagius would like to reconsider their status if given a chance. The Venerable Bede is mentioned multiple times in The Comedy, but without a doubt, Bede’s Pelagius is nothing but a heterodoxic villain and Dante knows better than to acknowledge Pelagius as worthy of Paradise.
There is appearance and a reality hidden which can be revealed by art, poetry, music, sculptures, puzzles and seeing with our eyes and hearing with our hearts which remains hidden as we look at everything while seeing nothing and distract ourselves with our idle chatter while we don’t allow ourselves to square the circle because the transcendental deduction (Kant concept) obscures reality. Virgil will scoff at Dante when he vicariously participates in the schadenfreude of watching others bicker while he was in Inferno.
An exile, as Dante was, is not only outside of his own island (ex + ile=island), he is also alienated from themself. The key for me in understanding The Comedy was not to think it is a religious allegory, but more of an allegory about our own life. That clue came to me from Sr. Mary Devlin’s course which I referenced above. Aristotle made pride a virtue while Dante makes it foundational to all of the cardinal sins.
The Comedy is not an easy read. It is a necessary read for understanding Medieval thought and for what will come later. Will Durant made Dante his pivotal character in the ‘Age of Faith’ Volume 4 of ‘Story of Civilization’ for a reason. To understand The Comedy is to understand the Medieval age and what will come after. Oddly, Gibbons’ made Petrarch his final and most important character within his Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.
I know Dante is a mystic. I know he definitely prefers the Franciscans over the Dominicans. He’ll make the most mystic of the mystics St. Bernard the final guide in his journey for a reason, but, even with all of that, I think it’s possible to read The Comedy as our individual journey in this life where we must reconcile the ontological difference with our own transcendental deduction and own our own authenticity.
Dante doesn’t find himself in the middle of his personal journey, he finds himself in the middle of ‘our’ journey. The Comedy is not about others it is about ourselves. Every experience is relevant for the individual. Much of modern-day philosophy is hidden within this book from the first page onward to the last. From the get go, we are shrouded in greed, pride, and jealousy, and a little bit of ourselves is revealed along each step in the book and a whole lot of what is to be revealed latter by brilliant philosophers to come are also within these pages. I’ll end these ramblings by ‘walking away with a trumpet of the arse’ (otherwords: a fart!).
I read Dante for the first time three years ago, then again, a year ago, and then again, last week, and then I reread it this week. In addition, I watched the Yale course, Dante in Translation for the third time last week, while concurrently reading Virgil’s Aeneid, and read Dante’s de Monarachia, and recently I just finished reading the Old Testament and Maimonides’ Guide for the Perplex. Also, about a week ago I listened to the course by Sr. Mary Clement Davlin on the Divine Comedy (I want to note that her course was the best overall resource for me in order to understand The Comedy). There’s a reason why Dante’s worth all this trouble. Simply put, in order to understand the Medieval age and it’s beginning of the end and the start of Humanism one must understand The Comedy, and without understanding history one cannot understand who we are today.
Of all the books ever written there is no stronger evidence for the likelihood that the author is a time traveler from the future than this book if one assumes that the time traveler is forced to explain only within the paradigms of his time period while subtly overturning the given worldview by explaining everything the current generation thought they knew about themselves within their own parameters while laying a foundation for a new way of understanding the world.
Scholasticism is best demolished by a scholastic by using its own language. Dante summarizes Medieval history with his encyclopedic rendering of how the Medieval mind thought of itself as itself allowing for the beginning of the ending of the predomination of scholastic thought while setting the stage for what will soon come to pass while explaining the world in terms of the human rather than the divine by using the divine as a way to bring humans back into the world and thus becoming arguably the first Humanist.
Dante doesn’t mention Maimonides or his Guide for the Perplex, but he does mention Avicenna and Averroes and embraces Aristotle as they both think in Aristotelian terms. Aquinas, who is prominently placed in Paradise, synthesizes Aristotle with Augustine and respects Avicenna so much he just refers to him as the commentator for his ability in explaining Aristotle. (I want to note that Plotinus is not in Dante at least I don’t think he was, but pseudo-Dionisius is, and Aquinas relies heavily on both. I just find that an interesting oversight by Dante. It might not be clear to you, but Augustine synthesizes Plotinus with Cicero giving us his Christianity and Augustine is a major character within Dante).
Aquinas puts reason before faith, Bonaventure will put faith before reason. Each are in paradise as is St. Francis who will marry Lady Poverty so that love, that is the primo mobile, will shake the universe into existence since our will of our will gives us our freedom to choose beyond our nature and forces us to own ourselves and actualize our own authenticity. Those who make no choice are making a choice and will be outside of the Gates of Inferno and must remain in limbo forever and a day.
All of wisdom (according to the Count of Monte Cristo) is contained in these two words: wait and hope. Hope is a verb of the future. It is always an expectation of something to come. The ontological difference between knowledge and faith is hope at least according to Dante. I would like to note that Pandora released all of the evils into the world except for one, namely hope. The Greeks were suspicious of hope and made hope a vice as they would make pride a virtue. Dante makes hope a virtue and pride a vice. Heidegger will shake the foundations of Philosophy in 1927 with his Being and Time and he makes care his foundation for human being, care is another verb of the future.
The ultimate good is a contemplation of the divine and the consideration of justice while in Dante’s Paradise. We live in a world such that the thinking and the doing, the mind and the body, the action and the thought do not ever meet. Hegel will try to reconcile sense certainty with the truth outside of us and often would appeal to Dante in his expositions. Dante knows the problem with contingency and necessity while trying to preserve freewill in the face of human nature and our choices within an uncertain world.
All of this is also within Dante and he’ll tell you through his musical rhetoric and will always tell you what he is trying to tell you but sometimes reveals the reasons slowly. It’s not important to know all the characters he introduces because he’ll tell you why they are in his story but sometimes he doesn’t let you know until the last line of the Canto or sometimes not even until the next Canto. By all means, read the Clive James translation first since he will integrate what others have said in footnotes seamlessly into his translation.
All of Kant’s antinomies are laid out within Purgatory within the different Cantos. Hegel’s dialectic approach is too. All of philosophy until Kant and shortly after as modified by Hegel would say that ‘the truth is out there’, Dante is a partial exception to that rule about philosophers who came before Kant. He knows that Leah will act while Rachel must think and that the supreme good is an infinite that the finite will struggle with before fully grasping that certainty remains elusive. Yes, Dante is writing a poem (music with rhetoric) but he definitely lays a foundation for what will be coming, and, oh yeah, one really needs to read Vico’s New Science in order to see some of Dante’s influence, both realize that we exist in a Bayesian world because our memories evolve as our imagination overcomes the now.
One of my favorite sentences from a recent book I read is ‘most Enlightenment thinkers were Pelagians’. You can bet that Dante was too. He makes a point that prayer makes a difference. Augustine would not; Pelagius would. Augustine would say God’s grace is freely given and that there are two separate magisterial that don’t intersect, the City of God and the City of Man; Pelagius would not. Dante does lay this out clumsily in his de Monarachia which makes what he is saying in The Comedy all the more understandable, though he doesn’t acknowledge Pelagius.
Dante would even hint that those from the Ganges, who believe nature is God and God is nature (as he believed the Hindus did, and how Spinoza will later) and those who believe love is all you need as St. Francis of Assisi and St. Bonaventure did, or those who make God outside of the world and not knowable by mortals such as the Saracens are just as worthy as those who believe God came to earth as a man and was more than just an apparition as the heterodox belief of a Roman Emperor who saw the errors of his way. Yes, Dante will place the unbaptized infants and the pagans not in Paradise, but Dante similarly to Pelagius would like to reconsider their status if given a chance. The Venerable Bede is mentioned multiple times in The Comedy, but without a doubt, Bede’s Pelagius is nothing but a heterodoxic villain and Dante knows better than to acknowledge Pelagius as worthy of Paradise.
There is appearance and a reality hidden which can be revealed by art, poetry, music, sculptures, puzzles and seeing with our eyes and hearing with our hearts which remains hidden as we look at everything while seeing nothing and distract ourselves with our idle chatter while we don’t allow ourselves to square the circle because the transcendental deduction (Kant concept) obscures reality. Virgil will scoff at Dante when he vicariously participates in the schadenfreude of watching others bicker while he was in Inferno.
An exile, as Dante was, is not only outside of his own island (ex + ile=island), he is also alienated from themself. The key for me in understanding The Comedy was not to think it is a religious allegory, but more of an allegory about our own life. That clue came to me from Sr. Mary Devlin’s course which I referenced above. Aristotle made pride a virtue while Dante makes it foundational to all of the cardinal sins.
The Comedy is not an easy read. It is a necessary read for understanding Medieval thought and for what will come later. Will Durant made Dante his pivotal character in the ‘Age of Faith’ Volume 4 of ‘Story of Civilization’ for a reason. To understand The Comedy is to understand the Medieval age and what will come after. Oddly, Gibbons’ made Petrarch his final and most important character within his Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.
I know Dante is a mystic. I know he definitely prefers the Franciscans over the Dominicans. He’ll make the most mystic of the mystics St. Bernard the final guide in his journey for a reason, but, even with all of that, I think it’s possible to read The Comedy as our individual journey in this life where we must reconcile the ontological difference with our own transcendental deduction and own our own authenticity.
Dante doesn’t find himself in the middle of his personal journey, he finds himself in the middle of ‘our’ journey. The Comedy is not about others it is about ourselves. Every experience is relevant for the individual. Much of modern-day philosophy is hidden within this book from the first page onward to the last. From the get go, we are shrouded in greed, pride, and jealousy, and a little bit of ourselves is revealed along each step in the book and a whole lot of what is to be revealed latter by brilliant philosophers to come are also within these pages. I’ll end these ramblings by ‘walking away with a trumpet of the arse’ (otherwords: a fart!).