هو أنا قررت أن الريفيو المبدئي يكون عن دان براون
عارف يعني أيه مؤلف يعترف في أول روايته الأحدث أنه رغب أنه يكتب عن الأبداع في الأدب زي ماأمتعنا في معلوماته الرهيبة عن الفن في رواياته السابقة؟

عارف لما مؤلف يكون هدف روايته -اللي يمكن ليا ملاحظات عنها وانا في ربعها الأول الأن- أنك تقرأ في الأدب الحقيقي؟..ويشجعك للأطلاع علي روائع الأدب زي ماعمل في تحفيزنا للبحث عن روائع الفن

يشجعك للبحث والقراءة , وبالأخص تلك القطعة الأدبية الفريدة عن رحلة دانتي إلي الفردوس عبر الجحيم
قطعة أدبية شعرية تسببت في عودة الكثيرين من الخطاة والمذنبين إلي الكنيسة والأيمان
عارف يعني ايه لما يتسائل أزاي في ناس بيقولو علي نفسهم "مؤلفين" ولم يقرأوا عمل أدبي مستوحي عن اساطير يونانية وقصص دينية يهودية ومسيحية -حتي المعراج في الأسلام أيضا- أشاد بيه فنانين وأدباء وفلاسفة بحق؟

“After listing the vast array of famous composers, artists, and authors who had created works based on Dante’s epic poem, Langdon scanned the crowd. “So tell me, do we have any authors here tonight?” Nearly one-third of the hands went up. Langdon stared out in shock. Wow, either this is the most accomplished audience on earth, or this e-publishing thing is really taking off.”

حتي لو علي سبيل الأطلاع -لا أقول الأيمان المطلق بالطبع- كيف لم أقرأ حتي الأن مثل تلك التي يطلق عليها البعض "تحفة أدبية"؟

مبدئيا ترجمة حنا يعقوب -مترجم النسخة التي اقرأها - مختصر المعلومات والهوامش لأبسط حد بحيث انه يتيح لك متعة قراءة النص نفسه وفهم فكرته وروحه

إلي رحلتي إلي فردوس دانتي...فلأبدأ بجحيمه
في نفس وقت قراءتي للرائع, دان براون

الريفيو الكامل عند الأنتهاء ان شاء الله

Dante's Divine Comedy is the worst book that I have read in my life, and that means a lot, because I also have read "Twilight", well at least tried the first 50 pages. Dante's imagery is powerful, yet it serves no purpose.

Basically Dante goes through hell, just watching people suffer, through eternity, then goes to purgatory and then to heaven where he finally meets Beatrice. Even though poem is written in three line stanzas and each line has exactly 11 syllables it is not lyrical at all, it is impossible to read on, the sentences are written in a manner that makes one wonder where the first idea stopped and where the second one began.
Dante simply posed his opinions on what is the "Worst" sin, he sent people who were born before Christianity was formed to hell, some to suffer in deeps of hell and some were in the first circle, and ALL of them were repenting.

I can't even imagine what was passing in Dante's mind when he was writing all those tortures, my personal theory is that he had serious mental disorder. Undoubtedly the Comedy has it's value as the first book of Renaissance( or last book before Renaissance, make your pick), but it is of no importance today, it can give no joy to the reader, and the ideas expressed in the book are rare, old-fashioned and sometimes stupid. Overall, don't waste your time reading the Divine Comedy, unless of course you enjoy these kinds of books, or you have it as a task in your Literature syllabus, and have to write a literary analysis on it (like me).

Dante has just escaped death when he met Virgil, who takes him to the afterlife. to hell, to the mountain of purification and to paradise. in hell they climb the seven circles and meet countless sinners who tell them their story and their suffering. Until in the end they meet Lucifer. At the Purification Mountain, the singing relaxes and becomes brighter. It is also told that there are days and nights and Dante and Virgil are asleep, which is different from hell. The two climb the mountain and meet countless people, including some acquaintances, and they are told their stories. Dante is often asked to ask for redemption for them and to take it with him to earth. at the end of the Purification mountain he finally meets Beatrice, who now accompanies him and she reproaches him for his misdeeds. having drunk the Lethe potion, he forgets this situation and finally, he takes a bath in the Eunoë, which renews his good deeds. at the Lion Mount Dante goes even more into the Bible and plays with metaphors.
Dante travels further into paradise with Beatrice. paradise is different than I imagined. Beatrice explains to Dante the structure of heaven and the freedom of people to decide for themselves. In paradise, too, he continues to rise in the spheres and meets souls who tell him their story and answer his questions. paradise goes from planet to planet (mars, jupiter, saturn) and then to the fixed star sky, where dante realizes how small the earth actually is. he has to answer questions about religion, then he comes to the crystal sky. in the crystal sky he enters the celestial rose with the angelic choirs and the saints, where they all sit. Adam, Eve, Peter, John, Anna, Mary, etc. and God. When he has discovered the Trinity in man, he returns to earthly life.

With a good translation, particularly an annotated one that can explain gaps between his age and ours, the beautiful and powerful language and imagery will flow and you’ll be enriched in your spirit.

I would say I found Inferno and Paradiso the best of the three poems. The writing in both those volumes is particularly intense and passionate. While much is made of Dante’s vision of Hell, his vision of Heaven is equally compelling.

It’s difficult to fully comprehend all the aspects of Inferno without a guide (like Virgil) to explain who all the people are that Dante fills Hell with in retribution. That’s why I recommend an annotated edition. Otherwise there is a great deal the reader won’t be able to take in.

I’d like to read the poem again. However I still need to tackle Paradise Lost for the first time.

"You can recognize a small truth because its opposite is a falsehood. The opposite of a great truth is another truth."

- Niels Bohr

I was thinking about Dante the other day and wondering how one could approach him from the angle of a GoodReads review. One of the obvious problems is that he lived a long time ago, and many of the cultural referents have changed. You're constantly having to think "Well, nowadays what he's saying would correspond to THAT". It isn't so bad in Hell, when there is plenty of entertainment to be had in seeing how the different sins are punished, and indulging your schadenfreude. Then Purgatory tells a moral story that's more or less timeless if you go for that sort of thing, but once you arrive in Paradise it starts getting seriously tricky. A lot of the stuff at first sight just seems irrelevant to the 21st century world... all these explanations about the mechanics of Ptolomaic astronomy, and Dante querying the inhabitants of Heaven on obscure theological points. It's notorious that readers most often give up somewhere in the third book. I started wondering if there was any modern-day author one could identify with Dante, and if that might help us connect to his concerns. And in fact, I do have a suggestion that some people will no doubt condemn out of hand as completely heretical: Richard Dawkins.

Now of course, I am aware that Dante was deeply immersed in the Christian world-view, and Dawkins is famous for being the world's most outspoken atheist. But it's not quite as crazy as it first may seem. Dante was a Christian to the core of his being, but he was furious with the way the Church was being run; he put several of its leaders, notably Pope Boniface VIII, in Hell. On the other side, I challenge anyone to read "The Ancestor's Tale" to the end, and not, at least for a moment, entertain the idea that Dawkins is in actual fact a deeply religious man. He admits as much himself: as he puts it, it's often not so much that he disagrees with conventionally religious people, more that "they are saying it wrong". Amen to that.

As noted, both Dante and Dawkins are extremely unhappy with the way mainstream religion is being organized. The other characteristic that unites them for me is this passionate love for science. One has to remember that, for Dante, Ptolomaic astronomy was state of the art stuff, and the details of the angelic hierarchy were a topic of vital importance; of course he cross-examines the hosts of the blessed to find out more. These days, I imagine he would be trying to get inside information on what happened during the Big Bang before spontaneous symmetry breaking occurred, whether or not the Higgs particle really exists, and how evolution produced human intelligence. For Dante, there didn't seem to be any opposition between religious faith and science - they were part of the same thing. I do wonder what he would have thought if he had been able to learn that many leading religious figures, even in the early 21st century, reject a large part of science as being somehow unreligious. It's wrong to spend your life dispassionately trying to understand God's Universe? I can see him getting quite angry about this, and deciding to rearrange the seating a little down in Hell.

I keep thinking that there's a book someone ought to write called "Five Atheists You'll Meet in Heaven". Please let me know when it comes out; I'll buy a copy at once.

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PS I couldn't help wondering what Paradise might have looked like if Dante had been writing today. Obviously we wouldn't have the old geocentric model of the Universe - it would be bang up to date. I think there is now far more material for an ambitious poet to work with than there was in the 14th century. For example, when we get to the Heaven of the Galaxy, I imagine him using this wonderful fact that all the heavy elements are made in supernova explosions. "We are all stardust", as some people like to put it. Then when we get to the Heaven of the Cosmos, we find that the light from the "Let there be light" moment at the beginning of Creation is still around - it's just cooled to 2.7 degrees K, and appears as the cosmic background radiation. But it's not completely uniform, as the quantum fluctuations left over from the period when the Universe was the size of an atomic nucleus are the beginnings of the galaxies created on the second day. Finally, we reach the Heaven of the Multiverse, and find that we are just one of many different universes. It was necessary to create all of them, so that random processes could make sure that a very small number would end up being able to support life. How impious to assume that God would only be able to create one Universe, and have to tweak all the constants Himself!

I just read the introduction of this edition. It is not very long and very good and with an excellent discussion on the difficulties of translating the terza rima into English.

I particularly enjoyed the discussion of the structure of the Commedia as a cathedral.

I shall read Dante's text in a different edition.

And I have about at least two more introductions from other editions.

4.5 stars

This was my second attempt to read "The Divine Comedy". The first time, I did not care for the English translation of the book I had selected. I found Mandelbaum's translation in this book to be more readable. Another plus of reading this translation, is this book had wonderful Botticelli illustrations of Dante. I thought the illustrations really enhanced my reading experience as they helped me visualize several of the scenes in the book.

This was not a book that I could read fast, although there were parts were I wanted to keep reading and not put it down. I really struggled with the beginning but then found my pace. This journey through hell, purgatory and heaven was quite enjoyable once I found my footing with it.

I am definitely glad that I read it. It was not a fast read but once that endured and was well worth it.

الكوميديا الالهية هي ملحمة شعرية غنية عن التعريف , صادفتنا في المناهج الدراسية , في الروايات , في الافلام .
وهي جولة الشاعر والسياسي الايطالي دانتي اليجيري في العالم السفلي , حيث كان اعتقادهم في السابق ان مركز الارض هو العالم الاخر .
الملحمة تتألف من ثلاثة اجزاء , الجحيم , المطهر , واخيرا الفردوس و مجموع الابيات يفوق الـ اربعة عشر الف و ومئتين بيتاً و هذه الابيات تندرج في اناشيد , حيث يتالف الجزء الاول ( الجحيم من اربعة وثلاثون انشودة) بينما يتالف الجزأئين الاخرين من ثلاث وثلاثون انشودة .
الجزء الاول - الجحيم يتالف من عدة حلقات كل حلقة مخصصة لفئة معينة من المذنبين , و يرى دانتي ان المحايدين يستحقون اشد العذاب يليهم الفاسقين و الشرهين و البخلاء وغيرهم من اعداء دانتي الذي يختار لهم حلقات و انواع من العذاب تتناسب ونظرته الشخصية لهم . الجحيم برأيي الافضل , ربما بسبب تكرار النمط في الجزأين الآخرين , او ان الاحداث والقصص فيه اكثر اثارة .
المطهر هي المنطقة الوسطى بين الجحيم والنعيم حسب رؤية دانتي وفيها تشرق الشمس وتغيب , اي انه يوجد نهار وليل , يستأنف دانتي رحلته التماسا لضوء النهار ويتوقف ليلا, يتعب وينام وهكذا وهي مخصصة للكسالى , الاشخاص الذين لم تتح لهم فرصة التوبة الا في اللحظات الاخيرة , المتغطرسين , الامراء المقصرين في واجباتهم , البخلاء والمبذرين , النهمين , المنقادين خلف شهوات الجسد .
و الفردوس يكاد النمط لا يختلف فيه عن الجزأئين السابقين , فهو مخصص لبايترشي والشخصيات التاريخية و معاصريه الذين لم يختلف دانتي وياهم بالافكار و او المصالح .

تعكس هذه اللوحه الرائعه اضطرابات الوضع السياسي والديني في تلك الفتره ,
وسيطرة الكنيسه وفسادها انذاك لذا نرى دانتي يترنح بين الشاعر العاطفي الميال الى الرحمه وبين رجل الدين المتعصب
الذي يحكم على من اعتنق دين غير المسيحيه بالعقاب في الجحيم , حتى وان كان نبيا -قبل او بعد المسيح- فهو يواجه هذا المصير.
و هي تفسر سلوك الجماعات الدينية المتطرفة دينياً المشهورة هذه الايام , دانتي امتلك القلم فزج بخصومه في جحيم ابتدعه من خياله وخطه بقلمة , لو كانت بيده السلطه والسلاح لفعل ما يفعله الموجودين على الساحة هذه الايام .
المفارقة المضحكة اننا نرى بعض الانبياء في الجحيم او المطهر , اولئك الذين سبقوا المسيح - او جاؤوا بعده- و بنفس الوقت نرى بعض الشخصيات المشهورة بالميثولوجيا اليونانية او الشخصيات الخيالية تنعم في الفردوس .
كما اشرت ان ابيات هذه الملحة تفوق ال 14200 وهي غنية بالقصص و والاشارات المستمدة من الميثولوجيا او من ما عاصره دانتي , هي موسوعة غنية باحداث تاريخية عمرها الاف السنين , تحتاج الى دراسة وقراءة متأنية مطولة و بحث , لم اعطها حقها ابدا و قرأتها على عجل من باب الاطلاع لاغير.
لم افهم الكثير من مقاصده واضطررت للبحث بين نسخة كاظم جهاد و حسن عثمان واحيانا بعض البحوث باللغة الانكليزية و مع ذلك فاتني الكثير , قرأتها في فترات متقطعه خلال شهرين و لم اعطها حقها ابدا .
على الرغم من انتقاداتي الشخصية لافكار دانتي , و لدانتي شخصياً و تحفظي على بعض اجزاءها لكن لا يمكن نكران روعة هذا العمل الذي انجز قبل ما يفوق السبعمئة سنة بدون استخدام الانترنت مع فقر المصادر . ولا يمكن لنا ان ننسى ان الترجمة قللت من جودتها , فمهما كانت الترجمة جيدة لن تكون مثل النص الاصلي , عموما انصح بقراءة النسخة المترجمة من قبل كاظم جهاد .

لوحه لـ ساندرو بوتوشيلي تجسد رواية دانتي



الصور بحجمها الكبير
>هنا


* "يحدث غالباً ايها الاخ , أن يجبر المرء
لكي يتفادى خطأً ما
على فعل شيء كان ينبغي أن لا يقوم به "

It was the best of books, it was the worst of books.

Obra literária do sec XIV e uma das mais famosas da história da literatura .Há cerca de setecentos anos que é publicado sucessivamente, o que faz deste, um dos livros mais lidos de sempre.
Dividido em três partes, a Divina Comédia é composta pelo Inferno, Purgatório e Paraíso, e relata a viagem imaginária de Dante feita através dos mesmos.
De leitura bastante difícil - o livro foi escrito por volta de 1200/1300, numa linguagem que viria mais tarde, a dar origem ao italiano falado nos nossos dias. Tive oportunidade de espreitar outras edições e compará-las. As diferenças são de tal forma notórias, que confirmam toda a polémica à volta das traduções. A minha edição é "para totós", com notas de rodapé explicativas das metáforas, e esclarecimentos sobre as figuras históricas.
Na viagem ao Inferno e ao Purgatório, Dante tem como guia o poeta Virgílio; por quem nutre grande amizade e admiração e, no Paraíso é acompanhado por Beatriz, a mulher que foi o seu grande amor.
Na sua viagem através dos nove círculos que dividem o Inferno, pelos nove do purgatório e pelos dez céus do Paraíso, Dante tem permissão para falar com as almas que os habitam. As alusões às figuras e acontecimentos históricos são extremamente difíceis de entender, quer pela época a que remontam, quer pela complexidade dos acontecimentos políticos e disputas entre grandes familias, muito anteriores ao que podemos encontrar nos manuais escolares de História.
Também algumas das reflexões de caracter moral e filosófico, de tão metafóricas, são por vezes incompreensíveis.
À medida que a leitura avança vai perdendo o ritmo, isto porque o Inferno é, sem dúvida,o mais interessante. O que não deixa de ser uma contradição, já que desde pequenos somos ameaçados com ele. Pois é precisamente o horror das descrições que nos fascina. Dante tinha uma imaginação espantosa para criar todos aquelas punições; almas chicoteadas por demónios, submersas em alcatrão fervente, mordidas continuamente por cobras e, tantos e arrepiantes castigos, que nos espicaçam a imaginação e nos deixam agarrados ao livro. Descrições pormenorizadas e muito visuais. É um bocadinho sinistro...e assustador. Muito assustador!
No Purgatório,o livro perde um pouco da carga dramática, apesar de ainda ser arrepiante, e no Paraíso perde a graça toda. São todos muito bonzinhos, há cânticos, anjinhos e luzinhas por toda a parte.Torna-se um pouco monótono. Vale pelo poder descritivo e pela imaginação do autor.( E com isto, já abri caminho lá pra baixo)

Ao longo dos séculos a Divina Comédia inspirou pintores,escultores, compositores e, dessa inspiração, nasceram algumas das obras mais importantes do mundo das artes.
Este é daqueles livros, que por mais que se leia, deixará sempre algo por entender, e cada nova leitura trará algo de novo.
Pela parte que me toca, se voltar, será ao Inferno.
Até porque mais vale ir conhecendo os cantos à casa.

Me gustó mucho más de lo que esperaba, porque cuando lo empecé creí que me ganaría y lo odiaría. Es una lectura ardua e intensa que merece la pena, siempre y cuando uno esté algo acostumbrado a esta clase de libros. Al empezar a leerlo ya induce a pensar que no será fácil, que hay detalles que uno lee y pierde al mismo tiempo y que Dante Alighieri no tenía ganas de que entendiéramos ni un pedacito del libro. Pero poder, se puede.

Dante se construye como protagonista en este recorrido por el Infierno, el Purgatorio y el Paraíso. El motivo por el cual está en el umbral (no es el “umbral”, sólo lo uso a modo ilustrativo) del Infierno abre interpretaciones y hay que buscarlo en su biografía real, aunque dentro del libro se desliza varias veces. Y Virgilio, el autor de La Eneida, es quien aparece para guiarlo (enviado por Beatriz, personaje que particularmente me encanta). Los tres lugares tienen estructuras propias en donde hay personas cumpliendo con su condena o con su premio (otra vez hago un uso ilustrativo, es un poco más complejo de explicar). Dante erige la biografía de varias de ellas, hayan sido contemporáneas a él o no.

Si ya se me hizo difícil intentar reponer el argumento de una forma sencilla pero un poco más detallada que la que se podría hallar en alguna contratapa, hablar de qué me gustó (y qué no) es una tarea aparte. Me fascinó bastante la idea de contar la vida de otros (y, en varias ocasiones, dejar que la cuenten con una voz propia) desde una perspectiva tan personal, al punto de incurrir en ciertos errores en el intento. Alighieri se puso en un lugar bastante elevado para discernir, desde su punto de vista, quién va a dónde, en una suerte de clasificación subjetiva. Es muy interesante recorrer las biografías e intentar descubrir (o, al menos, tratar de esclarecer un poco) la razón de sus decisiones, aunque muchas veces el mismo personaje se encargue de aclararlo. Me sorprendieron las denuncias a la corrupción de la Iglesia y del poder. Italia, en los tiempos en los que Alighieri vivió, era bastante tormentosa. Alighieri siempre tiene la vista en su Florencia y mantiene una relación de amor-odio con esa ciudad, así que también la menciona.

Dante, Virgilio y Beatriz son los personajes que más se desarrollan en la Comedia. Lo curioso es que los tres fueron reales (bueno, quizá la existencia de Beatriz se haya puesto en duda más de una vez), uno de ellos es una representación del libro, el otro es un poeta latino a quien Alighieri admiraba y Beatriz era el amor de su vida, idealizado a la quinta potencia. Una locura. Lejos de asemejarse a los libros plagados de personajes que no tienen ninguna función aparente, estos tres simbolizan distintas cosas e intervienen bastante, incluso cuando los cantos parecen estar protagonizados por otros.

En cuanto a la escritura, Alighieri es muy poético (de hecho, él es parte de una escuela poética, con características particulares), cada canto tiene un tono distinto. Algunos son horrorosos por la clase de condena que describe y otros, como los del Paraíso, están cargados de luz. Los simbolismos son habituales y hay una gran cantidad de referencias religiosas. Por suerte, existen las ediciones anotadas. Son tan molestas como necesarias. Si no fuera por ellas, también pasarían desapercibidas las referencias a hechos de público conocimiento en el 1300, así que uno termina aprendiendo algo de Historia en el camino. Nada que no pueda investigarse, mucho más con Internet a mano, pero requeriría un tiempo considerable hacerlo con cada dato nuevo. Eso es lo único malo: que Alighieri da cosas como sabidas, pero no es así. Si bien uno podría leer los versos e igual comprender el libro, no sería una lectura profunda. Si es para entretenimiento, tal vez el lector no se haga problema, pero si existen otros fines La Divina Comedia se vuelve todo un desafío rodeado de otros libros inspiradores y de alegorías que surgen de la propia sabiduría del autor.

Se nota muchísimo que Alighieri le dedicó mucha energía (y talento, por supuesto) a este poema. Por eso es imposible entenderlo o captar todos los detalles en su totalidad con una sola lectura (al menos, esa es la impresión que me causó). Más allá de los obstáculos, es un gran libro y tiene pasajes e historias muy bellos, además de interesantes. Es una de las lecturas “pesadas” que más disfruté. A grandes rasgos, eso es lo que puedo decir del libro… aunque al cerrarlo uno se quede sin palabras.

Nota enero 2016: una profesora (que no es la misma que la que me recomendó esta edición) me desaconsejó esta traducción porque no es de quien dice ser. Un caso muy curioso.


Reseña en Clásico desorden

The Devine Comedy, a classic/poetry book, was a 5+ star read.
This epic poem centers around main character Dante and his travels through Hell, Purgatory and Paradise. The Divine Comedy is a work of art and I’m truly glad I read it- that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a difficult read and I did some heavy research before tackling it. I honestly wanted to understand what I was reading and who the characters mentioned were. Dante’s journey through Hell (Inferno) was the most exciting and interesting part of the book because of the dark and creepy atmosphere, followed closely by Paradiso. I struggled to get through Purgatorio and though not as captivating as Inferno, I did manage to finish it.
Just a side note about the book itself. I bought a Barnes and Noble leather bound copy and anyone wanting to read this should definitely take a look-with the gilded edges, larger size and beautiful pictures throughout, it makes the reading of The Divine Comedy much more pleasurable. Highly recommend!

Nije ovo srpskom jeziku nepotreban prevod (a ima nepotrebnih prevoda, o da).
Zapravo, i nije u pitanju prevod u uobičajenom značenju te reči, već svojevrsna prevodilačka egzibicija.
Kome je do toga, naći će kod Kolje svakovrsne korisnosti i silno će se zabaviti.
Za druge shvrhe bih preporučivala racionalnija rešenja.