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4.25 ⭐️
I’m devastated we will never get Frank’s true sequel. I’m dying to know exactly where he’s take the story
I’m devastated we will never get Frank’s true sequel. I’m dying to know exactly where he’s take the story
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The final volume of Frank Herbert’s Dune series comes to an end (yes, I know there are ‘sequels’ out there, but I choose to ignore their existence) and I find myself both pleased and disappointed (I seem to experience ambiguity quite often when I come to books in and about the Dune universe). On the one hand I am sad it’s over with no definitive conclusion, on the other I am pleased to have found that the series not only held up, but actually appeared to be better than I remembered. I have to admit that I came I to this volume assuming I might only give it a 2 or 2.5 star rating, perhaps 3 stars at most, based on my recollections that the later Dune books continued to decline in quality until you came to the nadir with this final volume of Herbert’s original work. I’ll still admit that I can see how most (or maybe even all) of the volumes after Dune itself are perhaps an acquired taste, but I have to say that I have found myself impressed with the series as a whole on this re-read and have definitely come away with a much greater appreciation for the overarching story of the Dune universe that Herbert was trying to tell.
We come as the Sisterhood of the Bene Gesserit are beset on all sides by the seemingly overwhelming power of the Honored Matres, newly arrived refugees from the Scattering. Proving to be almost unbeatable in their combat skills and overwhelming in numbers, the Honored Matres are overtaking Bene Gesserit planets one by one, enslaving their populations or obliterating their worlds when necessary. Even Arrakis, the infamous Dune itself, is now nothing but a glassed wasteland destroyed by the vengeful Honored Matres. Unable to attack, the Sisterhood waits, plans, and hopes on their central world of Chapterhouse with nothing to protect them other than the shielding of their genetic heritage - built into them by Leto II, the Tyrant - and the no-ship technology which together allow them to avoid mechanical and prescient prying eyes. It is an open question, however, just how long they will be able to remain hidden. Luckily, they have some special resources in addition to their vaunted powers and link to generational Other Memory, key among which are the mentat-ghola of Duncan Idaho, his captured Honored Matre lover Murbella, and the woman Sheeana whose attunement to the worms of now destroyed Arrakis made her such a desirable addition to their ranks. They have also adopted the nefarious axlotl ‘tank’ technology under the guidance of the captured Tleilaxu Master Scytale and have decanted their own creation: a child ghola-clone of the redoubtable Bashar Miles Teg. Will it be enough to save them?
The prospective reader will be pleased to know that they do get at least a partial answer to this question in this volume, so they are not left completely hanging, but there are still a number of significant story threads that I would have loved to have seen Herbert tie up. No doubt this is part of the difficulty of judging the Dune series as a whole (especially if you choose to ignore the latter efforts of Herbert-fils and his ghost writer friend) and may have contributed to the general ambiguity (if not outright dislike) often heaped upon Herbert-pere’s later volumes. It can perhaps be difficult to judge the subsequent volumes of the Dune series without being unduly influenced by the giant shadow cast by the first book, but I think it’s an exercise worth trying. Dune itself is certainly a genre making, or shaking, book and its shadow is long indeed, but despite this fact, for me it is no longer ‘Dune and all the books that kept getting progressively weirder that followed it’ in my mind; now it is ‘the stories of the Dune universe that evolved as Herbert worked on and developed his ideas.’ There is still plenty of weirdness here, no doubt of that, but it’s a weirdness that I now find much less jarring and I enjoy the subsequent volumes not only in and of themselves, but as a part of the greater story of the Dune universe which I find a fascinating place. I think Frank Herbert was a victim of his own success with the first volume and I would have loved to have seen how he would have developed this ongoing universe in his own way, but alas that was not to be.
We come as the Sisterhood of the Bene Gesserit are beset on all sides by the seemingly overwhelming power of the Honored Matres, newly arrived refugees from the Scattering. Proving to be almost unbeatable in their combat skills and overwhelming in numbers, the Honored Matres are overtaking Bene Gesserit planets one by one, enslaving their populations or obliterating their worlds when necessary. Even Arrakis, the infamous Dune itself, is now nothing but a glassed wasteland destroyed by the vengeful Honored Matres. Unable to attack, the Sisterhood waits, plans, and hopes on their central world of Chapterhouse with nothing to protect them other than the shielding of their genetic heritage - built into them by Leto II, the Tyrant - and the no-ship technology which together allow them to avoid mechanical and prescient prying eyes. It is an open question, however, just how long they will be able to remain hidden. Luckily, they have some special resources in addition to their vaunted powers and link to generational Other Memory, key among which are the mentat-ghola of Duncan Idaho, his captured Honored Matre lover Murbella, and the woman Sheeana whose attunement to the worms of now destroyed Arrakis made her such a desirable addition to their ranks. They have also adopted the nefarious axlotl ‘tank’ technology under the guidance of the captured Tleilaxu Master Scytale and have decanted their own creation: a child ghola-clone of the redoubtable Bashar Miles Teg. Will it be enough to save them?
The prospective reader will be pleased to know that they do get at least a partial answer to this question in this volume, so they are not left completely hanging, but there are still a number of significant story threads that I would have loved to have seen Herbert tie up. No doubt this is part of the difficulty of judging the Dune series as a whole (especially if you choose to ignore the latter efforts of Herbert-fils and his ghost writer friend) and may have contributed to the general ambiguity (if not outright dislike) often heaped upon Herbert-pere’s later volumes. It can perhaps be difficult to judge the subsequent volumes of the Dune series without being unduly influenced by the giant shadow cast by the first book, but I think it’s an exercise worth trying. Dune itself is certainly a genre making, or shaking, book and its shadow is long indeed, but despite this fact, for me it is no longer ‘Dune and all the books that kept getting progressively weirder that followed it’ in my mind; now it is ‘the stories of the Dune universe that evolved as Herbert worked on and developed his ideas.’ There is still plenty of weirdness here, no doubt of that, but it’s a weirdness that I now find much less jarring and I enjoy the subsequent volumes not only in and of themselves, but as a part of the greater story of the Dune universe which I find a fascinating place. I think Frank Herbert was a victim of his own success with the first volume and I would have loved to have seen how he would have developed this ongoing universe in his own way, but alas that was not to be.
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Well, that was certainly a book.
Dune: Chapterhouse is mostly empty sand, with a few bits of melange in original thoughts about tradition, power, and survival. The main character is Odrade, Bene Gesserit Mother Superior, who faces the destruction of her order at the hands of the rampaging Honored Matres. Only secrecy, and a Reverend Mother's willingness to die before betraying the order, can buy Odrade precious time to figure out a strategy for survival, a multipronged plan involving a ghola of the Bashar Miles Teg, renegade Honored Matre Murbella, and the ecological transformation of the planet Chapterhouse into another Dune via sandworm.
But here's the thing, a protagonist requires a character arc; a heroic protagonist requires a flaw (at least in the classical sense), and the Bene Gesserit in this book provide neither. The are history embodied, through the thousand of other memories that live in the Reverend Mothers. the Honored Matre are a kind of twisted mirror of the Bene Gesserit, all of their vaunted control and power with none of the tempering of wisdom. But what faces Odrade is not barbarians, but what Iain M Banks deemed an 'Outside Context Problem'. What has returned from the vast Scattering of human space and evolution, and how is it beyond the memories of the Bene Gesserit. However, the Bene Gesserit are too unruffled, to serene even in the face of extinction. They're a far cry from the subtle shapers of people and events of Dune, and strangely unaffected by the failure of their 10,000 year program to produce the Kwisatz Haderach, which lead to Muad'Dib and the Tyrant Leto II.
Dune was at its best when it balanced the grand forces beyond human control, the Fremen Jihad, prescient powers, Bene Gesserit plots, etc, with the fact that it mattered that it was these humans, in this time and place, Paul and Jessica and Chani and Stilgar, on Dune, when the power of the Atreides has been broken.
Herbert died before the true conclusion of the series. Duncan foresees an enemy that the Honored Matres are fleeing from, which in perhaps the ultimate example of anti-climaticism, are Face Dancers named Marty and Daniel who have absorbed so many identities they have become super-human.
If Heretics were fragments of a better book, Chapterhouse is those fragments ground to dust.
Dune: Chapterhouse is mostly empty sand, with a few bits of melange in original thoughts about tradition, power, and survival. The main character is Odrade, Bene Gesserit Mother Superior, who faces the destruction of her order at the hands of the rampaging Honored Matres. Only secrecy, and a Reverend Mother's willingness to die before betraying the order, can buy Odrade precious time to figure out a strategy for survival, a multipronged plan involving a ghola of the Bashar Miles Teg, renegade Honored Matre Murbella, and the ecological transformation of the planet Chapterhouse into another Dune via sandworm.
But here's the thing, a protagonist requires a character arc; a heroic protagonist requires a flaw (at least in the classical sense), and the Bene Gesserit in this book provide neither. The are history embodied, through the thousand of other memories that live in the Reverend Mothers. the Honored Matre are a kind of twisted mirror of the Bene Gesserit, all of their vaunted control and power with none of the tempering of wisdom. But what faces Odrade is not barbarians, but what Iain M Banks deemed an 'Outside Context Problem'. What has returned from the vast Scattering of human space and evolution, and how is it beyond the memories of the Bene Gesserit. However, the Bene Gesserit are too unruffled, to serene even in the face of extinction. They're a far cry from the subtle shapers of people and events of Dune, and strangely unaffected by the failure of their 10,000 year program to produce the Kwisatz Haderach, which lead to Muad'Dib and the Tyrant Leto II.
Dune was at its best when it balanced the grand forces beyond human control, the Fremen Jihad, prescient powers, Bene Gesserit plots, etc, with the fact that it mattered that it was these humans, in this time and place, Paul and Jessica and Chani and Stilgar, on Dune, when the power of the Atreides has been broken.
Herbert died before the true conclusion of the series. Duncan foresees an enemy that the Honored Matres are fleeing from, which in perhaps the ultimate example of anti-climaticism, are Face Dancers named Marty and Daniel who have absorbed so many identities they have become super-human.
If Heretics were fragments of a better book, Chapterhouse is those fragments ground to dust.
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I have a problem when a long multi-book series basically finishes with no real ending.
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I loved this last book in the original serious. Ripping tale and left me hankering for more, but sadly not to be.
I am an unapologetic fan of the serious. I discovered them as a 16-year-old back in 1976 and periodically re-read them.
I am an unapologetic fan of the serious. I discovered them as a 16-year-old back in 1976 and periodically re-read them.
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„Ако не мога да се надсмивам над себе си, наистина съм загубен.“
„Дюн“ е великолепна и изключително стойностна научнофантастична поредица, която напълно ме заплени със своите огромни достойнства! Мисля че всички части от нея са еднакво качествени и предизвикващи мисленето на читателите... Франк Хърбърт е успял да съчетае изграждането на силни персонажи, заплитането на сложни политически интриги и разсъждаването върху значими житейски теми, разгръщайки своя огромен епос... Дълбоката мъдрост на автора се допълва от чудесна ирония, което придава същинския чар на поредицата, въпреки че и приключенията в нея са страшно любопитни и вълнуващи!
„Дюн: Домът на ордена“ е продължение на „Еретиците на Дюн“ и действието започва след края на събитията в предната част. Вече се очертава съвсем скоро последният епичен сблъсък между Бин Джезърит и Почитаемите мами, като мамите вече са далеч по-могъщи и имат почти всички предимства в битката. Одрейди обаче замисля сложни планове и поема сериозни рискове, за да оцелее сестринството... Важна роля в сюжета има и забележителният Дънкан Айдахо, който вече се е превърнал в силен ментат и не желае просто да изпълнява нареждания...
„Почувства как думите ѝ се стичат и потъват в него, запълвайки празнините.“
„Впрочем, властта сама по себе си не корумпира, а просто всмуква като магнит онези, които са склонни към подкупничество. При подобни хора се наблюдава склонност за опиване от насилие — състояние, към което те бързо се пристрастяват.“
„Религията капсулира отмрели митологии — догадки, скрити предположения за доверие по отношение на вселената, взети решения в стремеж към лична власт; всичко примесено с късчета просветеност. И винаги една неизречена заповед: Не ти е дадено да питаш! Всеки ден ние нарушаваме тази заповед, впрягайки човешкото въображение за възможно най-широко разгръщане на съзидателната сила.“
„— Опитът да се избегнат усложненията нерядко ги създава. — Одрейди се отпусна в стол до леглото и хвана послушницата за едната ръка, долавяйки веднага подскачането на мускулите под кожата. — Ние имаме поговорка: „Думите са бавни, усещанията — бързи.“ — Отдръпна ръката си. — Какви решения вземаше?
— Нима ме оставяте да вземам решения?
— Не се подхилвай! — Старшата направи знак да не бъде прекъсвана и продължи: — Подцених значението на предишната ти подготовка. На практика почитаемите мами са те привели в състояние на неспособност да вземаш решения. Типично за обществата, жадни за власт. Научи техните народи да се мотаят насам-натам, пилеейки времето си, докато го имат: „Вземането на решения не води до нищо добро!“ Свикни ги да стоят настрана и да отбягват поемането на отговорност.“
„Покажи ми звено с безупречно гладък оперативен режим, за да ти посоча някого, който прикрива грешките си. Истинските кораби се люшкат.“
„По дяволите! — помисли Одрейди. — Тя е оня тип съветнички, каквито искам да имам до себе си. Питам се колко ли съкровища като нея са погребани някъде отвъд, след като са ги низвергнали за дребни нарушения? Защо толкова често изхвърляме от веригата способни и талантливи хора?“
„Законите привнасят мита за наложената промяна. Ново и светло бъдеще ще настъпи благодарение на този или онзи закон. Сиреч, подсилват бъдещето… Докато за правилниците се вярва, че действат в полза на миналото.“
„Все пак демагозите лесно се разпознават. Те жестикулират прекомерно, говорят с темпо на проповедник и си служат с думи, кънтящи от почти религиозен трепет и едва ли не боязън от Бога, които настояват да бъдат приети искрено.“
„А най-опасни са несъзнателните симпатии, които те подтикват да запазиш врага си, защото той оправдава собственото ти съществуване.“
„Момчето погледна към видеоочите с изражение, което говореше, че е запознато с предназначението им:
— Не са ли любопитни какво мислиш за тях?
— Чувствата им не засягат ментата, освен като данни.
— Това означава ли факт?
— Фактите са нещо крехко. Един ментат може да се оплете в тях. Твърде много сигурни сведения. Също като в дипломацията. Потребни са ти няколко добри лъжи, за да се добереш до необходимите преценки.“
„Без да е в състояние да си го обясни, Айдахо си спомни за други думи, изречени от Одрейди:
„Нямаме тавански хранилища. Рециклираме всичко.“
Рециклираме. Цикъл. Етапи от цикъла. Парченца от мозайката.
Рядко се впускаше в безразборно преследване, защото познаваше по-добри способи. И не само като ментат. Но рециклиране… Следователно Другите Памети не бяха таванско помещение, ползвано за склад, а нещо, което светите майки подлагаха на непрестанна последваща преработка. Тоест те ползваха миналото, но само за да го променят и обновяват.“
„Тег се обърна към Одрейди:
— Избягването на военните действия е въпрос на проява на интелигентност от събрано многообразие и интелектуална мощ.
Хвърля обратно в лицето ни нашето двуличие! Веднага разпозна ментата в гласа му. Очевидно и Белонда го бе чула. Интелигентност и разузнаване в дво��кото им значение. Без него воденето на война нерядко се възприема като нещастен случай.
Башарът седеше смълчан, оставяйки присъстващите да се пържат в соса на собствените си исторически наблюдения. Подтикът към конфликт стига далеч по-дълбоко от съзнанието. Тиранът е бил прав. Човешкият род постъпва като „единого звяра“. Силите, привеждащи в действие огромното животно-колектив, водят обратно до племенните дни и дори отвъд тях.“
„Те продължиха да я гледат безмълвно, въпреки че бяха чули думите й. Станеш ли прекалено консервативен, оставаш неподготвен за изненади. Ето на какво ги бе учил Муад’Диб, а неговият син Тиранът бе направил Урока незабравим.“
„Тиранията на малцинството, надянала маската на мнозинство — както казваше Одрейди със силно вълнение в гласа си. — Сриване на демокрацията. Детронирана от собствените си ексцесии или изядена от бюрокрацията.“
„Изборът на действащи решения се прави в топилната пещ на информационните грешки. По този начин разумът възприема идеята за погрешимост. И тъй като абсолютен (безпогрешен) избор не е познат, интелигентността поема риска да си служи с ограничени данни на една сцена на действие, където грешките са не само възможни, но и необходими.“
„Високомерие, иззидано нависоко и видно отвсякъде. Претъпкана с вкоравени предразсъдъци личност. Тя знаеше толкова много неща, че бе същинска крачеща витрина на невежество и страхове.“
„Днешният конфликт можеше да бъде настанен на полагаемото му се в паметта място единствено след възможно най-пълна преценка и споделяне на мнението на всички онези, които лежаха като отговорност на неговите плещи. Точно такъв бе неизменният модел на поведението му и той никак не държеше на онова, което разкрива от себе си по този начин. Прекъсне ли линията на взаимно обвързване на интересите, човек сам подготвя собственото си поражение.
Трябва ми спокойно място, за да мога да събера всички нишки и следи на днешния бой и да подготвя предварително резюме на отминалите събития.
Според него най-трудният проблем на едно сражение бе то да протече без освобождаване на дивашкото у човека.“
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„Дюн“ е великолепна и изключително стойностна научнофантастична поредица, която напълно ме заплени със своите огромни достойнства! Мисля че всички части от нея са еднакво качествени и предизвикващи мисленето на читателите... Франк Хърбърт е успял да съчетае изграждането на силни персонажи, заплитането на сложни политически интриги и разсъждаването върху значими житейски теми, разгръщайки своя огромен епос... Дълбоката мъдрост на автора се допълва от чудесна ирония, което придава същинския чар на поредицата, въпреки че и приключенията в нея са страшно любопитни и вълнуващи!
„Дюн: Домът на ордена“ е продължение на „Еретиците на Дюн“ и действието започва след края на събитията в предната част. Вече се очертава съвсем скоро последният епичен сблъсък между Бин Джезърит и Почитаемите мами, като мамите вече са далеч по-могъщи и имат почти всички предимства в битката. Одрейди обаче замисля сложни планове и поема сериозни рискове, за да оцелее сестринството... Важна роля в сюжета има и забележителният Дънкан Айдахо, който вече се е превърнал в силен ментат и не желае просто да изпълнява нареждания...
„Почувства как думите ѝ се стичат и потъват в него, запълвайки празнините.“
„Впрочем, властта сама по себе си не корумпира, а просто всмуква като магнит онези, които са склонни към подкупничество. При подобни хора се наблюдава склонност за опиване от насилие — състояние, към което те бързо се пристрастяват.“
„Религията капсулира отмрели митологии — догадки, скрити предположения за доверие по отношение на вселената, взети решения в стремеж към лична власт; всичко примесено с късчета просветеност. И винаги една неизречена заповед: Не ти е дадено да питаш! Всеки ден ние нарушаваме тази заповед, впрягайки човешкото въображение за възможно най-широко разгръщане на съзидателната сила.“
„— Опитът да се избегнат усложненията нерядко ги създава. — Одрейди се отпусна в стол до леглото и хвана послушницата за едната ръка, долавяйки веднага подскачането на мускулите под кожата. — Ние имаме поговорка: „Думите са бавни, усещанията — бързи.“ — Отдръпна ръката си. — Какви решения вземаше?
— Нима ме оставяте да вземам решения?
— Не се подхилвай! — Старшата направи знак да не бъде прекъсвана и продължи: — Подцених значението на предишната ти подготовка. На практика почитаемите мами са те привели в състояние на неспособност да вземаш решения. Типично за обществата, жадни за власт. Научи техните народи да се мотаят насам-натам, пилеейки времето си, докато го имат: „Вземането на решения не води до нищо добро!“ Свикни ги да стоят настрана и да отбягват поемането на отговорност.“
„Покажи ми звено с безупречно гладък оперативен режим, за да ти посоча някого, който прикрива грешките си. Истинските кораби се люшкат.“
„По дяволите! — помисли Одрейди. — Тя е оня тип съветнички, каквито искам да имам до себе си. Питам се колко ли съкровища като нея са погребани някъде отвъд, след като са ги низвергнали за дребни нарушения? Защо толкова често изхвърляме от веригата способни и талантливи хора?“
„Законите привнасят мита за наложената промяна. Ново и светло бъдеще ще настъпи благодарение на този или онзи закон. Сиреч, подсилват бъдещето… Докато за правилниците се вярва, че действат в полза на миналото.“
„Все пак демагозите лесно се разпознават. Те жестикулират прекомерно, говорят с темпо на проповедник и си служат с думи, кънтящи от почти религиозен трепет и едва ли не боязън от Бога, които настояват да бъдат приети искрено.“
„А най-опасни са несъзнателните симпатии, които те подтикват да запазиш врага си, защото той оправдава собственото ти съществуване.“
„Момчето погледна към видеоочите с изражение, което говореше, че е запознато с предназначението им:
— Не са ли любопитни какво мислиш за тях?
— Чувствата им не засягат ментата, освен като данни.
— Това означава ли факт?
— Фактите са нещо крехко. Един ментат може да се оплете в тях. Твърде много сигурни сведения. Също като в дипломацията. Потребни са ти няколко добри лъжи, за да се добереш до необходимите преценки.“
„Без да е в състояние да си го обясни, Айдахо си спомни за други думи, изречени от Одрейди:
„Нямаме тавански хранилища. Рециклираме всичко.“
Рециклираме. Цикъл. Етапи от цикъла. Парченца от мозайката.
Рядко се впускаше в безразборно преследване, защото познаваше по-добри способи. И не само като ментат. Но рециклиране… Следователно Другите Памети не бяха таванско помещение, ползвано за склад, а нещо, което светите майки подлагаха на непрестанна последваща преработка. Тоест те ползваха миналото, но само за да го променят и обновяват.“
„Тег се обърна към Одрейди:
— Избягването на военните действия е въпрос на проява на интелигентност от събрано многообразие и интелектуална мощ.
Хвърля обратно в лицето ни нашето двуличие! Веднага разпозна ментата в гласа му. Очевидно и Белонда го бе чула. Интелигентност и разузнаване в дво��кото им значение. Без него воденето на война нерядко се възприема като нещастен случай.
Башарът седеше смълчан, оставяйки присъстващите да се пържат в соса на собствените си исторически наблюдения. Подтикът към конфликт стига далеч по-дълбоко от съзнанието. Тиранът е бил прав. Човешкият род постъпва като „единого звяра“. Силите, привеждащи в действие огромното животно-колектив, водят обратно до племенните дни и дори отвъд тях.“
„Те продължиха да я гледат безмълвно, въпреки че бяха чули думите й. Станеш ли прекалено консервативен, оставаш неподготвен за изненади. Ето на какво ги бе учил Муад’Диб, а неговият син Тиранът бе направил Урока незабравим.“
„Тиранията на малцинството, надянала маската на мнозинство — както казваше Одрейди със силно вълнение в гласа си. — Сриване на демокрацията. Детронирана от собствените си ексцесии или изядена от бюрокрацията.“
„Изборът на действащи решения се прави в топилната пещ на информационните грешки. По този начин разумът възприема идеята за погрешимост. И тъй като абсолютен (безпогрешен) избор не е познат, интелигентността поема риска да си служи с ограничени данни на една сцена на действие, където грешките са не само възможни, но и необходими.“
„Високомерие, иззидано нависоко и видно отвсякъде. Претъпкана с вкоравени предразсъдъци личност. Тя знаеше толкова много неща, че бе същинска крачеща витрина на невежество и страхове.“
„Днешният конфликт можеше да бъде настанен на полагаемото му се в паметта място единствено след възможно най-пълна преценка и споделяне на мнението на всички онези, които лежаха като отговорност на неговите плещи. Точно такъв бе неизменният модел на поведението му и той никак не държеше на онова, което разкрива от себе си по този начин. Прекъсне ли линията на взаимно обвързване на интересите, човек сам подготвя собственото си поражение.
Трябва ми спокойно място, за да мога да събера всички нишки и следи на днешния бой и да подготвя предварително резюме на отминалите събития.
Според него най-трудният проблем на едно сражение бе то да протече без освобождаване на дивашкото у човека.“
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Finally I ended this unbearable book. Had been a real penance, a hardship. I recognize that Dune is a classic in the genre but just the first book. The rest of the saga is incredibly boring and full of emptiness, the worst of the philosophical reasoning fills the book, a pomposity and a senseless discourse. One of the worst books I have ever read. Such a pity
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[ Villeneuve film reviews at the bottom of this article ]
Introductory notes:
Some initial notes for building my impressions of Dune where book references are denoted by D1-D6 for the 6 volumes of the trilogy - warning - there are some spoilers below, but once again if you have read this far into the Dune series, they are hardly spoilers because you already know all of this, or most of it.
Royal Houses
Atreides
Harkonnen
Corinno
It is interesting to me that despite the massive scale of Dune, it remains a tale concerning really only three families (initially) competing for power.
Power Bases
Bene Geserit (female)
Bene Tleilaxu (male -females reduced to living axlotl tanks for breeding (D5)
Ix (unknown, only contact with male ambassadors)
Honored Matres (female - returning Bene Geserit from the Scattering hellbent on destruction)
There are also only three extra-royal organizations (and later a fourth) that operate within the walls of the first 6 books. Of course, each of these (yet not always described in a homogeneous amount of detail) are incredibly complex societies with interesting dynamics which made for great reading.
Religions
Zensunni (overall fusion of Islam and Zen Buddhism which is sort of the ambient religion across the Known Universe)
Sufi (closely related to Zensunni - very close to Bene Tleilaxu core beliefs)
Freemen Worship of Leto II / the God Emperor / the Tyrant (for Bene Geserit) / Guldur (for Honored Matres)
Orange Catholic (remnants of Roman Catholic faith)
Note: The Bene Geserit, while originally derived at least partially from Roman Catholic Monastical practices views religion as a tool for manipulating the masses and opportunistically plays religions off each other)
I liked the mashup of Zen Buddhism and Islam and found that it was a creative way of projecting out human development. One should note that - other than perhaps futars late in D5 and D6), no aliens are in the Known Universe so the humans are all descendants of a diaspore from Terra in the distant past. The idea being that the Zen Buddhists and those of the Muslim faith blended together whereas - apparently - the Roman Catholics split into Bene Geserit and then disappeared. I found no mention at all of polytheist beliefs such as Hinduism or Dualism beliefs such as Taoism.
Armies
Saudukar (males from Salusa Secundus in service of Harkonnens and Shaddam IV of the Corrino family)
Fish Speakers (females from Rakis in serivce of Leto II)
Honored Matres (females with mix of various Scattering populations with sexual skills honed to an extreme but also the physical prowess of the Bene Geserit but with extreme violence and no regret or pity)
Bene Geserit (females with extreme martial arts skills and body control)
Some of the most exciting writing in Dune is of course the battle scenes and it is interesting how the elite forces switch from all-male to all-female on the advent of Leto II. The Honored Matres are pretty badass (and very scary) and it was awesome how Miles Teg evolved into a godlike fighter before his doom on Dune.
Planets
Dune / Arrakis / Rakis (home to the Freemen, planet of the Sandworms, sole natural source of melange in Known Universe)
Caladan (home planet to Atreides clan)
Giedi Prime / Gammu (home to Harkonnens)
Salusa Secundus (prison planet - previous home to House Corrino)
Hidden Chapterhouse planet (home to Bene Geserit)
Tleilax (home to Tleilaxu)
Ix (home to Ixians)
Junction(s) (waystations for the Guild Navigators)
I was frustrated that we never visited Is or Tleilax and learned precious little about any planets besides Dune, Giedi Prime/Gammu and Chapterhouse. One would think that in a galaxy of billions and trillions that there would be more planets, but I suppose that Frank needed to simplify somewhere.
Bene Geserit hierarchy
Mother Superior
Reverend Mother
Breeding Mothers
Acolytes (1st Degree - 3rd Degree)
The BG became a sort of mashup of the military and a female monastic order that was interesting to read about. Unfortunately, there are many revelations for which the reader has to wait for D6 to learn about.
Famous Mentats
Thufir Hawat (D1)
Miles Teg (D5, D6)
Duncan Idaho's last ghola becomes both Mentat and Zensunni philosopher (D6)
Like for the BG, we learn only scattered things about mentats until late in the series. The idea of replacing "thinking machines" after the Butlerian Jihad with human computers is fascinating and one of my favorite innovations in the Dune Universe.
Immortality Strategies
Bene Geserit- selective breeding, Others Memories, all powered by mélange addiction
Tleilaxu - axlotl tanks (deformed females) with selective breeding
Major Historical Moments
Before Dune
Butlerian Jihad - end of “thinking” machines, calculations monopolized by Guildsmen, Mentats and Bene Geserit
Creation by BG of Miossionaria Protecta
Establishment of BG Archives (?)
Birth of preborn Paul and his sister Ayla (the Abomination) to Leto and Jessica due to spice addiction. Jessica had disobeyed the BG and had a son first rather than a daughter which is a massive rock in the BG genetic pond for which we see the ripples over 5000 years of Known Universe history over the 6 books.
Dune
Paul Atreides passes Bene Geserit “box” test by Mother Superior - first male ever to pass the test
Move of Atreides family from Caladan to Dune under Emperor Shaddam IV’s direction ostensibly to protect the spice trade
Betraval and Assassination of Leto I
Flight of Paul to Fremen and their acceptance of him as their messiah, the Muad’dib
Victory of Paul Atreides Muad’dib over Shaddam IV and Baron Harkonnen at Arakeen using worm-fremen army and the Voice and death of first Duncan Idaho, Lady Jessica, Gurney Halleck, etc
Dune Messiah
Birth of preborn twins Leto II and Ghamina to Paul Muad’dib and Fremen Chola
Assasination atttempts on Leto II and Ghamina
Death/disappearance of Paul Muad’dib
Children of Dune
Abomination / possession of Ayla by spirit of Baron Harkonnen
Appearance of Preacher
Destruction of Ayla
Leto II assumes a Golden Path to save humanity by fusing with the sand trout and becoming Shai-Hallud / Shaitan / God Emperor
God Emperor of Dune
Peaceful reign of 3000 years under Leto II
Creation of Fish Speakers
Allowance of Aix technology
Deliverance of Duncan Idaho gholas by Tleilaxu to Leto II
Leto II killed during festival
Heretics of Dune
2000+ years of Scattering
Writing and distribution of Zaire ideas Manifesto (ghost written by HR Odrade daughter of Teg and future Mothre Superior)
Tleilaxu murder each of the delivered Duncan Idahos until last one
Appearance of Sheeana with power over worms on Rakis near Sietch
Waking up of Duncan Idaho by Teg and failure of Lucille to bind him to Bene Geserit
Breeding of Duncan Idaho ghola and Honored Matre Murbella
Conquering of Gammu by HR
Destruction of Dune by HR and death of Teg
Chapterhouse: Dune
Hunting of Bene Geserit by Honored Matres
Transfer from Lucille to Rebecca
Secret Israel
Agony of Murbella
Battle of Junction
Escape of ghola Duncan Idaho and Sheeana
And now for my review of Chapterhouse: Dune
Wow, that was quite a tumultuous and somewhat anti-climactic end to the Dune saga. I will write a long post here with plenty of quotes summing up all my Dune impressions for those who wish to read them.
"When she thought of the largely passive non-Bene Desert populace 'out there', Odrade sometime envied them. They were permitted their illusions. What a comfort. You could pretend your life was forever, that tomorrow would be better, that the gods in heaven watched you with care." (p. 49)
Odrade is the daughter of Bandar Mentat (and overall badass mofo) Miles Teg who becomes Mother Superior of the Bene Geserit following the events at the end of Heretics of Dune. She has a deadly standoff with the Honored Matres which dominates Chapterhouse (the hidden BG headquarters planet). She is a great character - full of depth and insight such as the quote above. The Bene Geserit thanks to melange and some genetic engineering created a form of immortality which is threatened with extinction by the Matres flooding into the Old Empire from The Scattering (see God Emperor and Heretics) and Odrade's strategy is a fascinating one to see being put together and then executed.
"The presence of Others Within who subtracted none of her attention from what went on around her had filled her with awe. We call it. Simuflow. Speaker had said. Simuflow multiplies your awareness." (p. 60)
Chapterhouse opened a whole new line of inquiry into the fate of Israel with the characters of the Rabbi and Rebecca - the few last remnants of the diaspora now on a galactic scale. Rebecca is pulled into the Bene Geserit in order to save the Others Within that were massacred on Lampadas by the Honored Matres. While this is an interesting interlude, it is a little frustrating that Herbert throws this in in only the last book of the series and dies before developing this idea any further. The primary interest of this interlude was in fact a bit more information on how the Bene Geserit functioned with the Others Within which was helpful in better understanding them.
"God formed me to deceive the powindah! His slight, childlike appearance was formed in a grey skin whose metallic pigments blocked scanning probes. His diminutive shape distracted those who saw him and hid the powers he had accumulated in serial ghola incarnations." (p. 84)
The last Tleilaxu, Scytale, was an interesting character. Tleilaxu having been destroyed by the Honored Matres, Scytale is a prisoner on the no-ship on Chapterhouse. Perhaps Herbert sensed the end coming because the potential he built into this character (especially the whispering which was supposed to serve as a trigger for the ghola of Duncan Idaho) was never exploited in this book. That being said, he is fairly one-dimensional and serves as almost an albeit morbid comic relief.
"Honored Matre assumptions about control fascinated Lucilla. You controlled your universe; you did not balance with it. You did not train yourself to sense your own subtle responses, you produced muscles (forces, powers) to overcome everything you defined as an obstacle. Were these women blind?" (p. 100)
Lucilla was one of the most enigmatic and powerful characters in the later Dune trilogy I found. Here she is prisoner to the HM and studying them hoping to get a message to Odrade in time for the BG to prepare a defense. It was interesting to compare the BG before Paul/Leto II/The Scattering (all powerful, mystical, and mega fighters who subjugated emotion completely and sex as a precise weapon and the BG who viewed sex only as reproductive function.
The key issue in Dune is the disruptive impact of LOVE which ignites the first crisis in D1 when Lady Jessica falls in love with Leto I and rather than giving birth to a girl as her Bene Geserit masters would expect her to do, gives birth to Paul who then exhibits characteristics of the Kwisatz Haderach and becomes Maud'dib to the Freemen when he survives the BG test and achieves prescience. Paul’s love for Chani of the Fremen dooms his political mariage to Princess Irulan and it is Chani that bears his two children, the preborn twins Ghamina and Leto II, soon to be God Emperor and to set humanity on the Golden Path. The next crisis occurs because Leto II loves humanity and wants them to survive. The last crisis is when Duncan Idaho and Murbella fall in love and do not fulfill (once again) BG plans. Unfortunately, we never really get to the end to know whether "love conquers all" or just fucks everything up.
Fantastic and legendary read. Please comment!
[UPDATE] I am looking forward to Denis Villeneuve's Dune in October 2021. The previews I have seen so far seem to be quite coherent with respect to the book. I was a fan of Lynch's Dune and am curious to see what Villeneuve does with this one. Feel free to comment below.
[UPDATE 2] It has been a few months, but personally I felt that Villeneuve’s Dune was respectful both of the spirit of the original books and of Lynch’s cult classic movie.
[UPDATE 3] Villeneuve made one of sci-fi’s greatest sophomore movies with Dune 2. Just absolutely perfect for casting, cinematography, action scenes, color, sound…and best of all, the door is open to film Dune Messiah!
Fino's Dune Reviews
Dune
Dune Messiah
Children of Dune
God Emperor of Dune
Heretics of Dune
Chapterhouse: Dune
Introductory notes:
Some initial notes for building my impressions of Dune where book references are denoted by D1-D6 for the 6 volumes of the trilogy - warning - there are some spoilers below, but once again if you have read this far into the Dune series, they are hardly spoilers because you already know all of this, or most of it.
Royal Houses
Atreides
Harkonnen
Corinno
It is interesting to me that despite the massive scale of Dune, it remains a tale concerning really only three families (initially) competing for power.
Power Bases
Bene Geserit (female)
Bene Tleilaxu (male -females reduced to living axlotl tanks for breeding (D5)
Ix (unknown, only contact with male ambassadors)
Honored Matres (female - returning Bene Geserit from the Scattering hellbent on destruction)
There are also only three extra-royal organizations (and later a fourth) that operate within the walls of the first 6 books. Of course, each of these (yet not always described in a homogeneous amount of detail) are incredibly complex societies with interesting dynamics which made for great reading.
Religions
Zensunni (overall fusion of Islam and Zen Buddhism which is sort of the ambient religion across the Known Universe)
Sufi (closely related to Zensunni - very close to Bene Tleilaxu core beliefs)
Freemen Worship of Leto II / the God Emperor / the Tyrant (for Bene Geserit) / Guldur (for Honored Matres)
Orange Catholic (remnants of Roman Catholic faith)
Note: The Bene Geserit, while originally derived at least partially from Roman Catholic Monastical practices views religion as a tool for manipulating the masses and opportunistically plays religions off each other)
I liked the mashup of Zen Buddhism and Islam and found that it was a creative way of projecting out human development. One should note that - other than perhaps futars late in D5 and D6), no aliens are in the Known Universe so the humans are all descendants of a diaspore from Terra in the distant past. The idea being that the Zen Buddhists and those of the Muslim faith blended together whereas - apparently - the Roman Catholics split into Bene Geserit and then disappeared. I found no mention at all of polytheist beliefs such as Hinduism or Dualism beliefs such as Taoism.
Armies
Saudukar (males from Salusa Secundus in service of Harkonnens and Shaddam IV of the Corrino family)
Fish Speakers (females from Rakis in serivce of Leto II)
Honored Matres (females with mix of various Scattering populations with sexual skills honed to an extreme but also the physical prowess of the Bene Geserit but with extreme violence and no regret or pity)
Bene Geserit (females with extreme martial arts skills and body control)
Some of the most exciting writing in Dune is of course the battle scenes and it is interesting how the elite forces switch from all-male to all-female on the advent of Leto II. The Honored Matres are pretty badass (and very scary) and it was awesome how Miles Teg evolved into a godlike fighter before his doom on Dune.
Planets
Dune / Arrakis / Rakis (home to the Freemen, planet of the Sandworms, sole natural source of melange in Known Universe)
Caladan (home planet to Atreides clan)
Giedi Prime / Gammu (home to Harkonnens)
Salusa Secundus (prison planet - previous home to House Corrino)
Hidden Chapterhouse planet (home to Bene Geserit)
Tleilax (home to Tleilaxu)
Ix (home to Ixians)
Junction(s) (waystations for the Guild Navigators)
I was frustrated that we never visited Is or Tleilax and learned precious little about any planets besides Dune, Giedi Prime/Gammu and Chapterhouse. One would think that in a galaxy of billions and trillions that there would be more planets, but I suppose that Frank needed to simplify somewhere.
Bene Geserit hierarchy
Mother Superior
Reverend Mother
Breeding Mothers
Acolytes (1st Degree - 3rd Degree)
The BG became a sort of mashup of the military and a female monastic order that was interesting to read about. Unfortunately, there are many revelations for which the reader has to wait for D6 to learn about.
Famous Mentats
Thufir Hawat (D1)
Miles Teg (D5, D6)
Duncan Idaho's last ghola becomes both Mentat and Zensunni philosopher (D6)
Like for the BG, we learn only scattered things about mentats until late in the series. The idea of replacing "thinking machines" after the Butlerian Jihad with human computers is fascinating and one of my favorite innovations in the Dune Universe.
Immortality Strategies
Bene Geserit- selective breeding, Others Memories, all powered by mélange addiction
Tleilaxu - axlotl tanks (deformed females) with selective breeding
Major Historical Moments
Before Dune
Butlerian Jihad - end of “thinking” machines, calculations monopolized by Guildsmen, Mentats and Bene Geserit
Creation by BG of Miossionaria Protecta
Establishment of BG Archives (?)
Birth of preborn Paul and his sister Ayla (the Abomination) to Leto and Jessica due to spice addiction. Jessica had disobeyed the BG and had a son first rather than a daughter which is a massive rock in the BG genetic pond for which we see the ripples over 5000 years of Known Universe history over the 6 books.
Dune
Paul Atreides passes Bene Geserit “box” test by Mother Superior - first male ever to pass the test
Move of Atreides family from Caladan to Dune under Emperor Shaddam IV’s direction ostensibly to protect the spice trade
Betraval and Assassination of Leto I
Flight of Paul to Fremen and their acceptance of him as their messiah, the Muad’dib
Victory of Paul Atreides Muad’dib over Shaddam IV and Baron Harkonnen at Arakeen using worm-fremen army and the Voice and death of first Duncan Idaho, Lady Jessica, Gurney Halleck, etc
Dune Messiah
Birth of preborn twins Leto II and Ghamina to Paul Muad’dib and Fremen Chola
Assasination atttempts on Leto II and Ghamina
Death/disappearance of Paul Muad’dib
Children of Dune
Abomination / possession of Ayla by spirit of Baron Harkonnen
Appearance of Preacher
Destruction of Ayla
Leto II assumes a Golden Path to save humanity by fusing with the sand trout and becoming Shai-Hallud / Shaitan / God Emperor
God Emperor of Dune
Peaceful reign of 3000 years under Leto II
Creation of Fish Speakers
Allowance of Aix technology
Deliverance of Duncan Idaho gholas by Tleilaxu to Leto II
Leto II killed during festival
Heretics of Dune
2000+ years of Scattering
Writing and distribution of Zaire ideas Manifesto (ghost written by HR Odrade daughter of Teg and future Mothre Superior)
Tleilaxu murder each of the delivered Duncan Idahos until last one
Appearance of Sheeana with power over worms on Rakis near Sietch
Waking up of Duncan Idaho by Teg and failure of Lucille to bind him to Bene Geserit
Breeding of Duncan Idaho ghola and Honored Matre Murbella
Conquering of Gammu by HR
Destruction of Dune by HR and death of Teg
Chapterhouse: Dune
Hunting of Bene Geserit by Honored Matres
Transfer from Lucille to Rebecca
Secret Israel
Agony of Murbella
Battle of Junction
Escape of ghola Duncan Idaho and Sheeana
And now for my review of Chapterhouse: Dune
Wow, that was quite a tumultuous and somewhat anti-climactic end to the Dune saga. I will write a long post here with plenty of quotes summing up all my Dune impressions for those who wish to read them.
"When she thought of the largely passive non-Bene Desert populace 'out there', Odrade sometime envied them. They were permitted their illusions. What a comfort. You could pretend your life was forever, that tomorrow would be better, that the gods in heaven watched you with care." (p. 49)
Odrade is the daughter of Bandar Mentat (and overall badass mofo) Miles Teg who becomes Mother Superior of the Bene Geserit following the events at the end of Heretics of Dune. She has a deadly standoff with the Honored Matres which dominates Chapterhouse (the hidden BG headquarters planet). She is a great character - full of depth and insight such as the quote above. The Bene Geserit thanks to melange and some genetic engineering created a form of immortality which is threatened with extinction by the Matres flooding into the Old Empire from The Scattering (see God Emperor and Heretics) and Odrade's strategy is a fascinating one to see being put together and then executed.
"The presence of Others Within who subtracted none of her attention from what went on around her had filled her with awe. We call it. Simuflow. Speaker had said. Simuflow multiplies your awareness." (p. 60)
Chapterhouse opened a whole new line of inquiry into the fate of Israel with the characters of the Rabbi and Rebecca - the few last remnants of the diaspora now on a galactic scale. Rebecca is pulled into the Bene Geserit in order to save the Others Within that were massacred on Lampadas by the Honored Matres. While this is an interesting interlude, it is a little frustrating that Herbert throws this in in only the last book of the series and dies before developing this idea any further. The primary interest of this interlude was in fact a bit more information on how the Bene Geserit functioned with the Others Within which was helpful in better understanding them.
"God formed me to deceive the powindah! His slight, childlike appearance was formed in a grey skin whose metallic pigments blocked scanning probes. His diminutive shape distracted those who saw him and hid the powers he had accumulated in serial ghola incarnations." (p. 84)
The last Tleilaxu, Scytale, was an interesting character. Tleilaxu having been destroyed by the Honored Matres, Scytale is a prisoner on the no-ship on Chapterhouse. Perhaps Herbert sensed the end coming because the potential he built into this character (especially the whispering which was supposed to serve as a trigger for the ghola of Duncan Idaho) was never exploited in this book. That being said, he is fairly one-dimensional and serves as almost an albeit morbid comic relief.
"Honored Matre assumptions about control fascinated Lucilla. You controlled your universe; you did not balance with it. You did not train yourself to sense your own subtle responses, you produced muscles (forces, powers) to overcome everything you defined as an obstacle. Were these women blind?" (p. 100)
Lucilla was one of the most enigmatic and powerful characters in the later Dune trilogy I found. Here she is prisoner to the HM and studying them hoping to get a message to Odrade in time for the BG to prepare a defense. It was interesting to compare the BG before Paul/Leto II/The Scattering (all powerful, mystical, and mega fighters who subjugated emotion completely and sex as a precise weapon and the BG who viewed sex only as reproductive function.
The key issue in Dune is the disruptive impact of LOVE which ignites the first crisis in D1 when Lady Jessica falls in love with Leto I and rather than giving birth to a girl as her Bene Geserit masters would expect her to do, gives birth to Paul who then exhibits characteristics of the Kwisatz Haderach and becomes Maud'dib to the Freemen when he survives the BG test and achieves prescience. Paul’s love for Chani of the Fremen dooms his political mariage to Princess Irulan and it is Chani that bears his two children, the preborn twins Ghamina and Leto II, soon to be God Emperor and to set humanity on the Golden Path. The next crisis occurs because Leto II loves humanity and wants them to survive. The last crisis is when Duncan Idaho and Murbella fall in love and do not fulfill (once again) BG plans. Unfortunately, we never really get to the end to know whether "love conquers all" or just fucks everything up.
Fantastic and legendary read. Please comment!
[UPDATE] I am looking forward to Denis Villeneuve's Dune in October 2021. The previews I have seen so far seem to be quite coherent with respect to the book. I was a fan of Lynch's Dune and am curious to see what Villeneuve does with this one. Feel free to comment below.
[UPDATE 2] It has been a few months, but personally I felt that Villeneuve’s Dune was respectful both of the spirit of the original books and of Lynch’s cult classic movie.
[UPDATE 3] Villeneuve made one of sci-fi’s greatest sophomore movies with Dune 2. Just absolutely perfect for casting, cinematography, action scenes, color, sound…and best of all, the door is open to film Dune Messiah!
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i think i read the first book when i was 12, and for some reason got the idea in my head that i should read the whole lot in rapid succession. well, the rapid didn't happen so much, and i am grateful that i am five pages away from concluding my brief, but friendly affair with mr. herbert. you know when you begin to go on dates with someone that has been an intermittent and casual friend? you think, well, they seem perfectly nice, reasonably intelligent, compelling conversationalist, let's try. but then you get to know them a little. you find that you begin to panic a bit after spending more than a couple of hours with them as you start to understand that not only did you entirely underestimate their intelligence, but that you had no, not even a whiff of an idea of how fucking weird they were. not non-sequitor-weird, but probably-masturbated-to-thinking-about-breast-feeding-the-cat-weird. yes. when frank starts in on the t-probes and the sexual slavery and child-ghola riding around one of the sisters like a horse...i start to think about how many exits the restaurant has and try to remember if i ever mentioned where i live.
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Re-read 8/5/21:
Just to be very clear here: Frank Herbert's originals are absolute classics of SF. It's not just Dune -- although that one is superior to the rest -- but all six of these books that should be put on a pedestal.
That being said, the density of ideas, the wonderful interlocked wisdom wafting from the pages, the stunning panorama of future history make an absolutely thrilling ride. This one has a lot less action than, say, Heretics, but the reveals and the implications are enough to utterly transform our understanding of the entire Dune universe that came before.
Unfortunately, I'm caught between a rock and a hard place. Frank was taken from us too soon. All the various ideas and directions did not finalize in this book. We have a very open-ended conclusion that annoys me as much now as when I was 14-years-old. We need the amazing combination of the BG and the HM, the exodus, and the eventual blow-out that would have come with the inclusion of the thinking machines that drove the HM to near-extinction.
That's why we needed those two extra books by FH's son and KJA.
And what we got was nothing near what we needed.
It doesn't change the brilliance of this book or the ones before. It just makes me wish that someone like Brandon Sanderson had swooped in to finish this series in the same way that he brilliantly finished the WoT series.
*sigh*
Original Review:
As with much of Frank Herbert's other writing, Dune excluded, this one is a novel notable and worthy on the realm of ideas. He never stints on ideas. He might get slightly sluggish and lose the thread of the plot while we plod around in the ideas, but there are always great scenes and always great blow-out reveals. The original classic of Dune has none of these faults. It is a classic and imminently readable from page one and is still my favorite book of all time.
So what about this one? Is it worth reading for everyone else? It's book 6 in the very impressive and automatically Epic series that encapsulates over five thousand years from the events of Dune, ending with the centric viewpoint of the Bene Gesserit after the tyranny of Paul's son and the great diaspora that scattered all the peoples of the galaxy after his death.
The planet Dune is effectively destroyed at the end of Heretics of Dune and only a single sandworm and some sandtrout were lifted from the planet to be the seed of a new place where the Spice can be produced. This is especially important after the Bene Tleilaxu were also destroyed or partially submerged under the auspices of the Gesserit after the Honored Matres rampaged through the known universe.
This book takes up the new clones of Teg and Duncan, but mostly revolves around the conflicts between the Bene Gesserit and the Honored Matres. Each side has taken prisoners and tries to subvert the captives. The Bene Gesserit are more than slightly more successful at the task than the "knock-off Bene Gesserit" Honored Matres, despite the others being wildly more dominant and deadly in combat.
What we have is a novel that reminds me a great deal of the later Wheel of Time books with Egwaine in the White Tower, only, I have to point out that Chapterhouse Dune came out first. :) We know that Jordan was a big fan of Dune and stole a tone of great ideas from Herbert, so this shouldn't be too surprising, but rather than a 5-6 enormous spread of books, Herbert accomplishes a success-from-below story in a single novel. :)
The teaching and the subversion is the real main story in Chapterhouse. Don't let the cool space battles and space-opera fool you. This is a story of fantastic women doing fantastic things, the undisputed masters of the galaxy, and a massive conflict between the returning diaspora offshoot of the Bene Gesserit and the mainline that stayed behind.
On that level, it's still a great tale despite my other issues with it.
Anything this complex and full of great observations about human nature, politics, and even love should not be discounted lightly. It's super dense with fantastic ideas on every page and even though it will never be considered a standalone classic, it's a very, very worthy novel to read. Especially in conjunction with Heretics of Dune.
And, I assume, Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune carry on the tradition well since I'm going to plow through them and continue the storyline set up here. :) The cliffhanger at the end of Chapterhouse was a doozy. :)
Let's see if Herbert's son and Anderson make the ideas into something more traditional, eh? I can hope. They've had a lot of practice in the universe before attempting the big one. Herbert's death put a stop to the story and most of us fans were extremely upset. Hell, I remember reading this book the first time in '89 and wishing I could have written the sequel to it. I can't be alone in this. :) I can only hope that expectations live up, etc., etc.
Just to be very clear here: Frank Herbert's originals are absolute classics of SF. It's not just Dune -- although that one is superior to the rest -- but all six of these books that should be put on a pedestal.
That being said, the density of ideas, the wonderful interlocked wisdom wafting from the pages, the stunning panorama of future history make an absolutely thrilling ride. This one has a lot less action than, say, Heretics, but the reveals and the implications are enough to utterly transform our understanding of the entire Dune universe that came before.
Unfortunately, I'm caught between a rock and a hard place. Frank was taken from us too soon. All the various ideas and directions did not finalize in this book. We have a very open-ended conclusion that annoys me as much now as when I was 14-years-old. We need the amazing combination of the BG and the HM, the exodus, and the eventual blow-out that would have come with the inclusion of the thinking machines that drove the HM to near-extinction.
That's why we needed those two extra books by FH's son and KJA.
And what we got was nothing near what we needed.
It doesn't change the brilliance of this book or the ones before. It just makes me wish that someone like Brandon Sanderson had swooped in to finish this series in the same way that he brilliantly finished the WoT series.
*sigh*
Original Review:
As with much of Frank Herbert's other writing, Dune excluded, this one is a novel notable and worthy on the realm of ideas. He never stints on ideas. He might get slightly sluggish and lose the thread of the plot while we plod around in the ideas, but there are always great scenes and always great blow-out reveals. The original classic of Dune has none of these faults. It is a classic and imminently readable from page one and is still my favorite book of all time.
So what about this one? Is it worth reading for everyone else? It's book 6 in the very impressive and automatically Epic series that encapsulates over five thousand years from the events of Dune, ending with the centric viewpoint of the Bene Gesserit after the tyranny of Paul's son and the great diaspora that scattered all the peoples of the galaxy after his death.
The planet Dune is effectively destroyed at the end of Heretics of Dune and only a single sandworm and some sandtrout were lifted from the planet to be the seed of a new place where the Spice can be produced. This is especially important after the Bene Tleilaxu were also destroyed or partially submerged under the auspices of the Gesserit after the Honored Matres rampaged through the known universe.
This book takes up the new clones of Teg and Duncan, but mostly revolves around the conflicts between the Bene Gesserit and the Honored Matres. Each side has taken prisoners and tries to subvert the captives. The Bene Gesserit are more than slightly more successful at the task than the "knock-off Bene Gesserit" Honored Matres, despite the others being wildly more dominant and deadly in combat.
What we have is a novel that reminds me a great deal of the later Wheel of Time books with Egwaine in the White Tower, only, I have to point out that Chapterhouse Dune came out first. :) We know that Jordan was a big fan of Dune and stole a tone of great ideas from Herbert, so this shouldn't be too surprising, but rather than a 5-6 enormous spread of books, Herbert accomplishes a success-from-below story in a single novel. :)
The teaching and the subversion is the real main story in Chapterhouse. Don't let the cool space battles and space-opera fool you. This is a story of fantastic women doing fantastic things, the undisputed masters of the galaxy, and a massive conflict between the returning diaspora offshoot of the Bene Gesserit and the mainline that stayed behind.
On that level, it's still a great tale despite my other issues with it.
Anything this complex and full of great observations about human nature, politics, and even love should not be discounted lightly. It's super dense with fantastic ideas on every page and even though it will never be considered a standalone classic, it's a very, very worthy novel to read. Especially in conjunction with Heretics of Dune.
And, I assume, Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune carry on the tradition well since I'm going to plow through them and continue the storyline set up here. :) The cliffhanger at the end of Chapterhouse was a doozy. :)
Let's see if Herbert's son and Anderson make the ideas into something more traditional, eh? I can hope. They've had a lot of practice in the universe before attempting the big one. Herbert's death put a stop to the story and most of us fans were extremely upset. Hell, I remember reading this book the first time in '89 and wishing I could have written the sequel to it. I can't be alone in this. :) I can only hope that expectations live up, etc., etc.
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