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April 1,2025
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یک تراژدی به تمام معنا فوق‌العاده! واقعاً آدم نمی‌دونه چی بگه درباره‌ی نمایشنامه‌ای که 2500 سال پیش نوشته شده و انقدر حرفه‌ای داستان‌پردازی شده و انقدر دیالوگ‌هاش قویه! شدیداً توصیه می‌شه خوندنش!
April 1,2025
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Obviously, in terms of quality this is a 5-star play (best plot of anything ever, and some of the most haunting speeches in all of literature). The translation I read (Paul Roche's) favored precision over readability, which meant the strophe/antistrophe sections were a bit unwieldy. Also, Jocasta. This play obviously needed more Jocasta. Still, if you haven't read this, what are you doing with your life.
April 1,2025
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Pensaba que me iba a costar leerlo por el lenguaje pero para nada ha sido así. Es muy fácil de leer, y aunque es una historia que todos conocemos hay algún momento de sorpresa.
La única pega que le pongo es que es muy corto, podían haber dado algún rodeo en lugar de ir tan al grano, pero aún así he disfrutado mucho leyéndolo.
April 1,2025
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n  n    talihsiz oidipus! nasıl oldu da böyle çılgınlığa kapıldın?
hangi intikamcı tanrı kara bahtını büsbütün kararttı?

yazık oldu, ah yazık!

çok isterdim seninle konuşmak, seni dinlemek, ama bakamıyorum yüzüne; dehşetten ürperiyorum!
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ufaktan edebiyatla, kahve ve kitaplarla iç içe olan bir yılı geride bırakıyorum.

birçok farklı tür eser okudum, araya bir de oyun sıkıştırmak istedim.



kral oidipus'a başladım, resmen eski türk filmlerindeki bizanslı kötü adamların ortasına düştüm.

olum, aklıma geldikçe gülüyorum, tüm mahalle tren yapmış gibi, hale bak: çocukken terk edilen oidipus, kral polybos'a götürülür ve onun tarafından büyütülür. delikanlı oidipus, bir gün bir dağ yolunda at süren bir soyluya rastlar. aralarında kavga çıkar ve oidipus soyluyu öldürür. sonra kraliçe epikaste'nin kocası ve thebai kentinin kralı olur. oysa dağlarda öldürdüğü adamın babası, yatağına girdiği kadının ise anası olduğundan haberi yoktur. bu arada kader, halkına veba hastalığını musallat eder ve bu salgın hastalık nedeniyle onlara büyük acılar çektirir. oidipus halkının çektiği acıların nedeninin kendisi olduğunu anlayınca gözlerini kör eder ve o kör haliyle thebai'den çıkar gider

hey yavrum hey... neler dönmüş, görüyor musun?

tabii milattan önce beş yüzlü yıllar, telefon yok bişey yok, tragedya tavan.

iyi ki bu eserlerin yazıldığı yıllarda yaşamamışız yemin ediyorum.

şöyle düşün bir de, oidipus'un hikayesinin üzerinden iki bin yıl geçmiş, şimdiki krallar onun kadar şerefli olamıyor.

ay sözcü gazetesi duyarı yaptım, kaçıyorum hemen.
April 1,2025
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n  “Mock me for that, go on, and you’ll reveal my greatness.”n

I was, quite frankly blown away by the entire story of the three Theban Plays. And by the amazing story that it narrates. The first one, Oedipus Rex, or simply as Penguin translates it: Oedipus the King is hors d’oeuvre to the extreme vigor of the three consecutive plays, not as much great as the latter ones, probably for being so short. It finishes almost as soon as it begins to intrigue, which can prove a bit infuriating, undoubtedly.

n   “How could kingship
please me more than influence, power
without a qualm? I’m not that deluded yet,
to reach for anything but privilege outright,
profit free and clear.
Now all men sing my praises, all salute me,
now all who request your favors curry mine.
I am their best hope: success rests in me.
Why give up that, I ask you, and borrow trouble?
A man of sense, someone who sees things clearly
would never resort to treason.”
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The exceptional aspect is that, we know now that the myths of Oedipus were even more popular, plausibly from a time much before Sophocles started writing the play. And it never fails in its tragedy even after everyone can foresee where and how the tale is going to end. And some striking relevance to the world we live in too, which we may call modern but in truth is just as hypocritically orthodox as it was, quite apparently, in 425 BCE. Most evident is undoubtedly the theme of ‘hubris’, but that’s not salient to this play alone, however.

n   “Anything, afraid as I am-ask, I’ll answer, all I can.”n
April 1,2025
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What's interesting about fate, and what's different from our world and Oedipus's, is that "fate" doesn't really exist in our world. No real oracles go around telling you you're going to sleep with your mother. Instead, it's a philosophical device. On one side you've got "free will" (traditional very Western, very American even with the idea of the individual going forward), and on the other side you've got your fatalists (see my mom and her Vietnamese cosmology [is that the word? Whatever, I’m going to use it], in which the people who are around you are literally born to be so because of the debt you owe each other in the present, owed in the past, and/or will use in the future). I'm not really a fan of philosophy, and as far as I'm concerned the goodness of each approach is only to be judged by how useful they are to a specific person in a specific situation (and place and time).

I say that there is no fate in our world, but that's not really true. What separates fate from free will is foresight, and there's plenty of that in our world. A cancer patient (like my aunt) being told she has six months to live. One step lower on the surety scale, my remaining aunts and my mother living under the knowledge that they're likely (what, like 50/50 chances) to get this dubious inheritance from their father (oh hey! Antigone, didn’t see you there). Or even to the much lower level of common sense, like stock markets: what goes up so precipitously, without merit, is likely to come down just as precipitously.

What’s interesting about Oedipus, is at first glance the prophecies within are so abhorrent, who wouldn’t react in horror to the idea of killing one’s father and sleeping with one’s mother? But at second glance, is it not common sense, is it not true for all families that one day the son will surpass the father, one day the father will fall and the son will take the father’s place? Is it not true men will judge their relationships with women against that first relationship with their moms?

The prophecy given to Oedipus and to his birth parents is a sensationalist version of the common sense truth for all families (even to those where the son cannot so literally inherit a father’s throne). And the real-world response to that un-sensational real-world dilemma is: “Hey, one day I’m going to die, and I’m going to try and leave the world(kingdom) in the hands of a good human being” (& “I’m going to teach my son to treat the women he loves with respect” & “I’m going to be good to my father while he’s alive and a really good person when he’s gone”).

You might say I’m unfair in comparing Oedipus to an unchangeable fate (cancer, though for most people, I don’t think killing one’s baby is really an option on the table… but we’ll get back to that). No, my aunt couldn’t change her rapidly-growing tumor, but she could change the way she went out. She took hold of her finances for the first time in her life, she aired her grievances towards her husband (and the frightful in-laws) and her children instead of stewing in them, she tied up her inheritance to provide for her youngest through college, she got the death she wanted (at home and with Buddhist rites), all so she could live her remaining months in peace, and die in peace, instead of continuing to live (practically a lifetime) in sorrow. Is it fair she died so young? Is life fair?

My mom doesn’t know if she’s going to get cancer in 4 years, but she’s you know, de-stressing her life, selling the house, doing things she wants to do, and going in for all her medical tests. No, it’s no magic trick to see one’s future, it’s magic to decide what to do about it. It’s easy to get desperate and anxious to change one’s fate, hey, how else do you think those snake doctors make a living… It’s not always easy to see the difference between trying to ‘master your fate’ and trying to make the best of it/just being proactive/smart.

I say sensationalist, but that’s not really true—you needn’t look far—when there’s a real shortage of women in the world (China and India are the real places of impact, though considering how much of the world population is from those two countries, it is effectively, a world impact) due to selective-gender abortion and female child abandonment (told you I’d get back to it). The ‘making the best world’ response (from parents, and from governments/society) is to educate girls, give them the same chances as boys, give them a world where women can be as useful to their families as men. The ‘master your fate’ response has created increased demand for sex-trafficking (and increased forced marriages and honor killings). Of course people want to escape “fate”, it is so human (and what makes the play so human)—of course, whether you call if “life” or “gods” or “fate”, it isn’t fair, but how much of it is really “fate” and how much is it our (humans) own choices?

And if we think the answer is to try ignorance, how can we try ignorance (no foresight)—people spend their whole lives trying to know, trying to make the world make sense (and we make gods and science to try and make sense of it for us) and it really is for the best psychics are really charlatans, because we got plenty of foresight on our own thanks, we just don’t know what to do with it (can’t ignore it either, see global warming). As the alcoholics/Christians say: "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,/Courage to change the things I can,/And wisdom to know the difference.”

Basically what I’m saying is Sophocles is pretty genius, and Freud as usual gets it half-right, half-wrong.
April 1,2025
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OMG this Oedipus dude just totally banged out his own mom LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLZ

But really, there were descendants whose genetic makeup is irrevocably tied into my own that were walking the Earth when Sophocles wrote this play. And here I am, in 2017, thousands of years later, reading it. Literature serves humanity in subtle yet profound ways; it is one of the only bridges we have into the psychology of the past. The world is so goddamn complicated. Reading books like this make me feel gigantic and tiny at the same time.
April 1,2025
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honestly, I feel bad for Oedipus. He left his house to do the right thing and try to avoid killing his dad, just to come across his real dad and kill him anyway. It's really unfortunate and it really sucks for him. And then he had to go and skewer his eyeballs like yikes he's not having a good time, is he ?

RIP Oedipus eyes, I'm sorry this happened to you. Honestly, I know this play is super tragic, and it actually is interesting how he tried to avoid his fate which led to him fulfilling it anyway but you can't not laugh at his misfortune. Or maybe I have to laugh to avoid thinking about the fact his siblings are his children
April 1,2025
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Baseando-se no famoso mito de Édipo muito conhecido na época, o poeta Sófocles  compõe Édipo Rei , uma peça teatral que melhor representou esse mito e que ficou em primeiro lugar entre as três finalistas. Conta a luta de Édipo para descobrir a verdade sobre a morte do antigo rei  Laio da qual é acusado, e também sua luta para descobrir a verdade sobre si mesmo, verdade esta que é horrenda, surpreendente. Conta também sua luta para fugir das sinas profetizadas pelos Oráculos,quando ele  era ainda uma criança , que diziam que Édipo iria matar o seu próprio pai e casar com sua mãe.

Realmente uma tragédia, pois Édipo está num caminho sem saída e sua família não facilitou nem um pouco sua vida..
Às vezes é melhor não saber, é melhor estar cego para a verdade, você vai saber o porquê de eu estar dizendo isso ao ler esse livro maravilhoso.
Abaixo cito um texto de Francisco Daudt que comenta com prioridade a respeito disso:

“Agora eu te pergunto: Édipo merece essa fama maldita? A meu ver, ele foi colocado numa arapuca inescapável, metido num problema que não era dele, era dos pais. Não deixaram Édipo viver sua própria vida. Ele foi atrelado à vida dos pais, aos assuntos dos pais. E mesmo os reis de Corinto, seus pais de adoção, deixaram uma armadilha esperando por ele, ao sonegar-lhe
sua verdadeira história.”
April 1,2025
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see... i get that this is, just speaking in terms of the technical aspects of the plot and structure and character, well done, especially if you’re looking at it in the context of what aristotle considers a great tragedy to be (which is what my understanding going into this was based on).

but i still don’t care because gross. i would please like to take five thousand baths now.

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current stress level: the kid in my class who yelled ”NO! NO NO NO NO!!” when we reached that part.

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i’m pretty Not Excited For This but oh well
April 1,2025
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نمایشنامه ی ادیپوس شهریار ،داستان نیشخند تقدیر است آنچنانکه در داستان حضرت موسی و فرعون یا عزرائیل و حضرت سلیمان میخوانیم[ شخصی از ترس عزرائیل که پیاپی در مجلس سلیمان به او مینگریست از آن حضرت میخواهد با باد او را به هندوستان بفرستد تا از عزرائیل در امان بماند و شرح ماجرا در مثنوی مولانا :
دیدمش اینجا و بس حیران شدم در تفکر رفته سرگردان شدم
از عجب گفتم گر او را صد پر است زو به هندوستان شدن دور اندر است
چون به امر حق به هندوستان شدم دیدمش آنجا و جانش بستدم
تو همه کار جهان را همچنین کن قیاس و چشم بگشا و ببین
از که بگریزیم از خود این محال از که برتابیم از حق این وبال ]
ادیپ شهریار اولین قسمت از سه بخش کتاب "افسانه ی تبای" است؛ در این کتاب پیش از شروع نمایشنامه در بخش" درباره ی دانایی گنهکار و تقدیر او" مفصل درباره ی این نمایشنامه بحث شده و الحق برای من روشنگر و مفید بود و البته مکمل متن اصلی [ پر از داستان ها و شرح های تکمیلی]
هر چند داستان ادیپ شهریار به نسبت معرف همه هست اما به دلیل بیان جزئیات در این بخش مثل همیشه پیشنهاد میکنم این قسمت رو پس از متن اصلی مطالعه کنید
ما آگاهی و دانایی رو با توانایی برابر میدونیم اما تنها در صورت آگاهی کامل توان مقابله با رویداد ها و کنترل اونها رو کسب میکنیم و چون علم انسان به خود و به جهان اطراف در اکثر موارد ناقص است پس انسان در خطا و اشتباه ناگزیر است
از طرفی در دانایی رنج است اما گشودن راز تقدیر و ادیپوس بودن در باطن تک تک ما پنهان خفته است [ واقعا چه کسی میتونه دربرابر دانایی مقاومت کنه هر چند میدونیم "هر چیز را زکاتی است و زکات عقل اندوهی ست طویل"؟!]
بخشی هایی از کتاب :
*اپولون [خدای روشنایی و حقیقت]چنین رنجی در جان من نهاد اما نه به دست خود، این کار دستهای من است (خدایان خود تمام عوامل گناه را می افرینند، انسان کفاره ی خطای خدایان را میدهد. گناه تنها به دست آنان انجام میشود نه به اراده ی آنان! مطلبی که در سرتاسر این نمایشنامه موج میزند)
*مردی را به من بنمایید که سعادت او از رویایی خوش که بیداری تلخ گونه ای در پی دارد برتر باشد.
داستان از منظر مادر ادیپوس هم هولناک بود، کسی که " شوهر از شوهر زاد و فرزند از فرزند" یکی از جملات عالی کتاب در وصفش
در نهایت بی نهایت از مطالعه ی این نمایشنامه لذت بردم
April 1,2025
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Трагедия возникла в Древней Греции из обрядов (дифирамбов) в честь Дионисия. Чаще размер ямбический триметр, реже трахаический тетраметр.
Безусловно, поразителен сам факт, что в V веке до нашей эры делались постановки спектаклей, авторы писали тексты, а актеры и хор исполняли.
Что же волновало античную публику? Да, все мы слышали про Эдипов комплекс, но, не читали трагедию, у нас были смутные представления об Эдипе. Содержание пьесы разочаровало. Царю Эдипу при рождении было предсказано стать отцеубийцей и жениться на собственной матери. Его отец Лаий приказал убить его, новорожденного, но пастух, которому был отдан приказ, сжалился. Он вырос, пророчество сбылось, но Эдип сначала не знал, узнав же, он с горя выколол себе глаза и покинул Фивы. В общем, инцест по незнанию, "по воле рока".
Конечно, культурное значение велико, коль скоро Зигмунд Фрейд назвал свое открытие по имени царя Эдипа. "Эдип в Колоне" - тоже довольно мрачная история. Эдип с Антигоной пришли в Колон, от другой дочери он узнает, что младший сын Этеокл сверг старшего брата Полиника. Эдип предрекает смерть братьев от рук друг друга и умирает.
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