this was sooo good it's probably my favourite euripides play (apart from the bacchae ofc)

CLASS 220 core

Classic mom falls for her son

this is my least favourite from euripides so far, but it is still very interesting.

we see the gods in a different light in this play; aphrodite and artemis are not working in league with each other, but directly opposite. all the events of this play occur because aphrodite was jealous that she was not getting enough praise from hippolytus.

it appears to me that she is being very spiteful in making phaedra fall in love with him, inciting much suffering where it is not necessary at all.

but also, hippolytus' extreme reaction upon hearing of phaedra's love was no proportionate either. die, both of you, he says, i'll never get enough of hating women. pretty brutal. im not going to say that he deserves to die but ...

anyway. pretty good. i will be sad to see this half of the module go. only bacchae remains!

I once saw someone describe Hippolytus as a fedora-wearing MRA, and that pretty much sums up this play. Phaedra herself is full of internalised misogyny. As always in Euripides, the nature of the gods is very interesting. I have studied Greek tragedy for years, and I do not understand why, out of all Euripides' plays, Hippolytus is considered his masterpiece.

it was good, I generally like euripedes's works, but I liked medea more

hipólito, protoincel

eerste twee boeken van het jaar voor school doet pijn fr

dit was de derde tragedie die ik las van Euripides en mss wel de minste maar it's growing on me... heel veel interessante dingen over te zeggen, over aseksualiteit avant la lettre, Aphrodite vs. Artemis in vergelijking tot de normale tweestrijd tussen Dionysus en Apollo, het noodlot en rechtvaardigheid etc etc
Aphrodite en Artemis zijn ook mijn twee favoriete goden, die toch vaak op de achtergrond staan dus leuk hen is op de voorgrond te zien!! de koorlieden waren unmatched over hen heeel mooi

anyways nog wel wat te lezen van het lectuurpakket ngl helaas zijn dat mijn pauzes oeps

One of Euripides' best tragedies, and I am so glad I read it.

Hippolytus is the son of Theseus and he has devoted himself to a chaste life in service of Artemis. Aphrodite doesn't like that Hippolytus' chastity and devotion to that other goddess has caused him to turn a blind eye to her. So, she causes Phedra, who is Theseus' wife and Hippolytus' step-mother, since his biological mother was an Amazonian woman, to lust after Hippolytus. Phedra is conflicted and disgusted with herself, but her nurse ends up revealing the lust to Hippolytus. Obviously, he rebuffs Phedra, who then kills herself -- but not before alleging in a written note that Hippolytus raped her. Theseus blames Hippolytus -- wrongly -- for her death. He casts out his son -- and uses one of the three curses that Poseidon promised to him to kill Hippolytus, who is eventually struck down. Theseus ultimately learns what he's done and has some brief time to apologize to Hippolytus, before the latter finally dies.

Euripides' decision to make Theseus the victim and the most sorrowful is the best, most striking part of this play. Phedra and Hippolytus suffer in their own way, too, of course, and so does Artemis by losing her favorite devotee. But for Theseus to move from the one who has struck down to his son wrongly to a wretched and despairing victim makes this so powerful.

Girlie failed fuck or die game in ancient style

Βραβείο πιο ξιπασμένου χαρακτήρα ελληνικής τραγωδίας στον Ιππόλυτο,ο οποίος σε όλη τη διάρκεια του έργου εξυμνεί τη σοφία, την αρετή και την τελειότητά του. Έχει κι έναν εξαιρετικό μονόλογο, στον οποίο βρίζει τις γυναίκες κι εύχεται να μπορούσαν να τεκνοποιούν με διαφορετικό τρόπο οι άνδρες, ώστε να μη χρειάζονται αυτά τα φίδια μέσα στα σπίτια τους.

Με τούτα και με κείνα, στο τέλος ευχήθηκα "Στα τσακίδια και να μην μας γράφεις!",παρά την αθωώτητά του.

Και για να μη νομίζετε ότι υπερβάλλω..

Από τα σχόλια 121 και 123 (σελ. 176):

-"[...] Δεν είναι όμως αυτός ο σκοπός του Ευριπίδη. Αντίθετα θέλει να παρουσιάσει την πτώση του Ιππόλυτου ως αποτέλεσμα του ελαττώματος που είναι η αντίστροφη πλευρά της απόλυτης αγνότητάς του: η αφοσίωσή του στην αγνότητα συνδέεται με ολική απόρριψη ενός σημαντικού μέρους της ανθρώπινης φύσης και ζωής."

-"Ακόμα και ετοιμοθάνατος ο Ιππόλυτος δεν αμφισβητεί την τελειότητά του. Ο στενόμυαλος πουριτανισμός του τον ακολουθεί ως το τέλος της ζωής του. Δεν αναγνωρίζει το σφάλμα, την έλλειψη στον χαρακτήρα του και πεθαίνει θεωρώντας τον εαυτό του θύμα αδικίας και παραλογισμού."

Σε επίπεδο διαλόγων και χαρακτήρων το βρήκα κατώτερο από άλλα έργα του Ευριπίδη, γι'αυτό και 3 αστερακια.

'Voli Artemidu više od mene,' pita se Afrodita. 'Platiće mi to!' Baca magiju na Fedru (maćehu), da se zaljubi u Hipolita. Fedra mu to otkriva, a ovaj čistunac je zgranut! Ovo je sam početak, otprilike se na tom početku i spojluje cela tragedija, ali ne moram i ja to da radim ovde. Očekivano (grčka tragedija, šta ćemo) dolazi do niza tragičnih događaja, na kraju je svima kao žao Hipolita, ali zapravo i ne. Niko ga ne voli.

A i teško ga je voleti, nije nimalo simpatičan. Potpuno je anti-erotičan. I anti-poetičan. Sve što radi je nekako bezveze. Dosadan je čak i dok jede. Mrzi žene, ali ne zato što je imao loše iskustvo s njima - zapravo i nije imao nikakvo iskustvo. Zevsu se žali:

"Što, Zeuse, zlo podmuklo - žensku čovjeku
ti stvori i na svijetlo svijeta iznese?
[...] u svom domu mogo je
bez žene smrtnik mirno živjet slobodan.
Al 'vako nam je pod krov vodit bijedu tu,
a doma svoga srećom mi to plaćamo.
Bjelodano je, žena da je silno zlo."

Ovo je tragedija o erotskoj ljubavi, ali i o jednoj od vrlina koju su Grci najviše hvalili: umerenosti. A umerenost kao takva je zapravo dosta problematična. Praktično je nevidljiva, nema je - umeren si kad nešto NE uradiš. Kako znaš da je neko umeren? Trebalo bi da ima neki poriv, strast, koja je izražena, pa se onda svom snagom bori protiv tih sila. Onda na osnovu toga možemo da kažemo, evo stvarno se potrudio... umeren je.

Festival grčke tragedije
1. Car Edip (Sofokle)
2. Iphigenia in Aulis (Euripid)
3. Agamemnon (Eshil)
4. Antigona (Sofokle)
5. Eumenides (Eshil)
6. Bahantkinje (Euripid)
7. Hippolytus the Bacchae (Euripid)
8. The Libation Bearers (Pokajnice - Eshil)
9. Pribjegarke (Eshil)
10. Ifigenija na Tauridi (Euripid)
11. Oedipus at Colonus (Sofokle)