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April 1,2025
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What I learned from this book (in no particular order):

1.tVictory or defeat in ancient Greek wars is primarily the result of marital spats and/or petty sibling rivalry in Zeus and Hera’s dysfunctional divine household.

2.tZeus “the father of gods and men” is a henpecked husband who is also partial to domestic abuse.

3.tIf you take a pretty girl who is the daughter of a priest of Apollo as war booty and refuse to have her ransomed, Apollo will rain plague on your troops. And he won’t be appeased until you return the girl and throw him a ginormous BBQ party involving hundreds of cattle at his temple.

4.tIf an arrow or a spear were thrown at you in battle, more often than not, it would land on your nipple or thereabout. Or alternatively, it would pierce your helmet and splatter your brain.

5.tParis is a proper guy’s name, not just a name for capital cities or bratty heiresses.

6.tBrad Pitt in man skirt* Achilles is the badassest warrior there ever was.

7.tReal men eat red meat, specifically:
tttta. sheep chines;
ttttb. fat goats; and
ttttc. the long back cuts of a full-grown pig, marbled with lard.

8.t The most valuable booty are (in no particular order):t

tttta. bronze tripods (each worth 12 oxens) and armors;
ttttb. swift war stallions; and
ttttc. pretty women (each worth 4 oxens, if also skilled in crafts). Lesbians are particularly prized.

tt9.tThere is nothing more glorious for a warrior than to sack enemy cities, plunder their wealth, kill all their men, bed their pretty women and enslave their children.

t10. tThe only men who matter are warriors, but if you are a woman, the range of roles that you could play is rather more diverse. You could be:

a.ta runaway wife who sparks a cosmic battle between your thuggish hubby’s city-state and your cowardly boyfriend’s (1);
b.ta war booty with a bad case of Stockholm Syndrome (2);
c.ta manipulative uber bitch (who also happens to be a goddess) (3);
d.ta long-suffering wife and mother (4).

(1) Helent(2) Briseist(3) Herat(4) Andromache

But whatever role you choose to play, you will still be the bone of contention between men and the armies that they lead. All the major conflicts in the story are triggered by women, or specifically by their sexuality: Helen’s elopement with Paris launched a thousand Argive ships against Troy; Agamemnon’s desire to bed Briseis, Achilles’ lawful prize, caused a nearly unhealable rift between them; and Hector’s desire to protect his wife from the dismal fate of being an Argive sex slave inspired him to fight Achilles to the death. Homer’s mortal women might be meek and mild, but his goddesses can kick ass with the best of them, and even occasionally best their male counterparts: Zeus is not above being manipulated by Hera, and Ares the God of War actually got whacked on the head by Athena.

*Troy, Brad Pitt, Eric Bana, Warner Bros. 2004.


What I find most surprising about the Iliad is the amount of graphic, X-rated violence that it contains. The violence is not the biblical slaying and smiting, but something much more voyeuristically gory:

“…the one Peneleos lanced beneath the brows, down to the eyes' roots and scooped an eyeball out --- the spear cut clean through the socket, out behind the nape and backward down he sat, both hands stretched wide as Peneleos, quickly drawing his whetted sword, hacked him square in the neck and lopped his head and down on the ground it tumbled, helmet and all. But the big spear's point still stuck in the eye socket ---."

I imagine that this kind of anatomically precise, brain-splattering, gut-spilling action scenes made the Iliad popular with the Romans, who routinely went to the Colosseum to watch gladiators hack each other to death, but there is only so much of it that I could take in one sitting, which is why it took me almost three months to finish it. It is not that I’m particularly sensitive to fictional death and dismemberment --- and after all, this book is a war book --- but the sheer amount of such scenes, as well as their mind-numbing repetitiveness made for tedious reading. It doesn’t help that many of these deaths happened to seemingly throwaway characters, barely introduced in three or four lines, merely to be summarily (and gorily) dispatched in another half a dozen lines on the same page. The Iliad is assumed to be the written version of a much older oral poem, and such characters might represent collective memories of real Bronze Age warriors, but by Zeus, hundreds of pages of them being hacked, cleaved and skewered to death almost did me in.

Now, what is the purpose of such meticulously catalogued carnage? Was Homer trying to present War with all its attendant horrors to shock his audience into pacifism? Or was the old guy just trying to write an 8th century BCE equivalent of a blockbuster action-adventure movie with enough gore to satisfy his young male demographic? The Iliad both celebrates and laments the warrior spirit: the haughty pride and terrible thirst for vengeance and plunder that set men to distant shores, intent on razing cities and putting its inhabitants to slaughter, but also the stark, tragic consequences of such acts.

I actually find the gods’ politicking and manipulations more interesting than the actual war. The Greek gods are blissfully free of any human notion of morality --- which makes the problem of theodicy much more simpler to solve than in the Judeo-Christian model. The Olympian gods do not move in mysterious ways: they are moved by caprice and petty grievances. Why did we suffer such an ignominious defeat, despite all that we had done to win Zeus’ favor? Well, it happened that just before the battle was about to begin, Hera seduced him and subsequently put him to sleep with the help of Hypnos, whom she bribed with one of the Graces. A perfectly logical and very human explanation.

The story gets much more interesting in the last five books. The Olympian gods entered into the fray and the effect is sometimes like watching WWE SmackDown:

“Bloody Ares lunged at it now with giant lance
and Athena backed away, her powerful hand hefting
a boulder off the plain, black, jagged, a ton weight
that men in the old days planted there to make off plowland ---
Pallas hurled that boundary-stone at Ares, struck his neck,
loosed his limbs, and down he crashed and out over seven acres
sprawled the enormous god and his mane dragged in the dust.”

Or maybe an episode of Super Friends :

“How do you have the gall, you shameless bitch,
to stand and fight me here?
….
But since you’d like a lesson in warfare, Artemis,
just to learn, to savor how much stronger I am
when you engage my power ---“

The gods are “deathless”, so you know that there won’t be any lasting harm from their catfight, but the cost of battle to all too mortal men is heavy indeed. This was a time when war was as elemental as they come: no mercy was shown to the enemy on the battlefield, save one that pertained to a warrior’s honor, which was to be buried with full honors by his family and comrades. When mighty, “stallion-breaking” Hector finally succumbed to Achilles in a strangely anticlimactic duel, his father Priam went to Achilles’ camp and

“kneeling down beside Achilles, clasped his knees
and kissed his hands, those terrible, man-killing hands
that had slaughtered Priam’s many sons in battle.”

Troy’s old king begged for his son’s body, and in the magnificent, poignant last book, Homer showed us the real cost of war, both on the vanquished and the triumphant. By the will of the gods, Achilles’ death would soon follow: his destiny was ultimately no different from the rest of tragic humanity, fated to suffer and die by callous, immoral gods for causes that were entirely beyond their ken.

“So the immortals spun our lives that we, we wretched men
live on to bear such torments ---“
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3***

Sing, O muse, of the rage of Achilles, son of Peleus, that brought countless ills upon the Achaeans.

I REALLY wanted to enjoy this and I just didn’t love it as much as I hoped. I felt like this took me forever to read and found this dragged so much, but I am glad I was able to read and finish this.

The areas for me that dragged the most is Book 2 with the naming of all the ships/captains, Book 12 or 13 were just huge fighting scenes, and then Book 22 about the funeral games. For me, I mainly had to force myself to read these parts and sometimes I would skim read.
In Book 2 I’d say as long as you know the “main” names, it’s fine enough to skip. (Main names for the Argives: Agamemnon, Menelaus, Ajax, Nestor, Diomedes, Achilles, Patroclus. Main names for Troy: Hector, Priam and Paris).

My most enjoyable parts was seeing the Gods get involved; which sides they were taking, how they got directly involved in the war. I loved seeing the Gods in all their pettiness playing with mortal lives and against each other.
I really enjoyed seeing Eris, her looming presence in the war (along with Ares), and basically being the one who caused the whole start of the Trojan War with feeling spurned by not being invited to a wedding, and a golden apple.

I also enjoyed seeing what happened to Aeneas and his story. I’ve never read The Aenid by Virgil but this is his involvement in the Trojan War before that book starts (I believe). Hopefully I’ll be able to read “The Aenid” soon.

I had read Madeline Miller’s “The Song of Achilles” so I was interested to see more of Patroclus and Achilles from their original story. However, Achilles is actually in a strop for most of the book and doesn’t actually get involved until the end of the book which I wasn’t expecting. I did however enjoy the scenes of him and Patroclus.

I also felt so sorry for Andromache and Hector as I know what happens to them after Troy, so reading those scenes caused me grief.

I would say definitely read this if you love action- there is so much of it and it is very bloody! There were just a lot of names in these scenes that it took me out of the action a bit.
Also my edition would sometimes use Roman names or switch between the two, or would call a god by a different name so I’d have to go and research who it was. This would take me out of the book a bit and I’d lose my focus.
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fellas, is it gay to want your dear companion's ashes and yours to be combined and buried in the same place so you can be together even in death?
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Przeczytałam tylko dlatego, że jest to ulubiona książka Donny Tartt.
April 1,2025
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4,5 балла, округлено до 5.
Я никоим образом не принижаю и не недооцениваю огромное историческое и культурное значение «Илиады» Гомера, рассказывающей о 50 днях осады Трои, конечно, с неизменным вмешательством богов Олимпа, но это произведение мне понравилось намного меньше, чем «Одиссея» в силу того, что главным действующим лицом в этой поэме является война, распря и, соответственно, много боев, много смертей, много слез, трагедий и при том при всем, война эта – бессмысленна, бестолкова и ее цели совершенно непонятны ни богам, ни участникам сражений. Эта война, как способ доказать свою правоту или права с помощью силы. И все равно никто никому ничего не доказал. Заканчивается поэма мольбами старого Приама, чтобы забрать тело своего возлюбленного сына Гектора, чтобы его достойно похоронить.
Было интересно узнать, что в Древней Греции было такое большое количество народов и вождей, описанных во второй Песне, которая создает ощущение, что это полноценный исторический труд, с детальным и тщательным описанием всех принимавших участие в войне. В поэме поводом к войне послужило похищение Елены Парисом, а было бы интересно узнать, что послужило поводом к Троянской войне в действительности? Существовала ли Елена и кем она была?
В поэме Олимпийские боги активно участвуют в войне, имеют своих любимцев, за кого они «болеют» и помогают. Немного напоминает, как будто они, боги, участвуют в сетевой компьютерной игре, каждый за своего героя или объединяясь против кого-то. Боги обладают человеческими чертами характера – они совсем не величественны. Они могут смошенничать, проявить коварство, они пытаются друг друга перехитрить, они вожделеют и занимаются сексом.
Гомеровские поэмы должен прочитать каждый, поскольку это тот исток, откуда пошла литература, хотя, я все же склоняюсь к мнению, что и литература, и музыка все таки имеют своим истоком фольклор – народное творчество. Илиада существовала и до Гомера, как эпос, созданный народом. Он нам донес ее.
April 1,2025
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Estuve mentalmente metida en la guerra entre aqueos y troyanos de agosto a diciembre. Al menos, no duró tanto como la verdadera (diez años en total). Ilíada es un poema épico extenso y arduo, repleto de descripciones de armas y combates, pero que compensa cada queja con unos pasajes sublimes y una naturalización de personajes que sorprende.

Breve reposición de argumento: Ilíada se concentra en la interminable ira de Aquiles, el mejor guerrero de los aqueos, a causa del robo de su botín, que incluía a Briseida. Por supuesto, en la batalla se va a sentir su falta, a pesar de que entre los griegos hay otros buenos guerreros. Mientras tanto, los dioses luchan en el Olimpo porque algunos protegen a los aqueos (Hera, Atenea, Poseidón) y otros a los troyanos (Apolo, Ares, Afrodita). Zeus inclina la balanza de la victoria porque tiene un plan que, obviamente, no voy a revelar. Podría decir que los veinticuatro cantos son temáticos y los mortales y los inmortales se reparten el protagonismo.

Por su composición oral, hay versos que se repiten muchas veces porque funcionan a modo de “repaso”, así que no tengo ningún motivo para quitar estrellas por eso. También se advierten incoherencias (pequeñas, pero incoherencias al fin) entre una acción A y una acción B, algo que sería imperdonable en un texto escrito. Sin embargo, las fallas no lo hacen menos perfecto. A mí me encantó igual. Hay historias muy ricas que se cuentan en mitad de una pelea (los oponentes hablaban mucho entre sí antes de matarse…), recuperaciones de mitos conocidos y no tanto, heroísmo, crueldad, desesperanza. Lo único que obstaculiza un poco la lectura del libro son las descripciones de las armas, las naves, los ejércitos y algunos combates cuerpo a cuerpo que aportan material para situarse espacialmente, por ejemplo. Y es muy bueno detenerse en ellas porque señalan aspectos culturales, históricos y sociales. El problema es que causan sensación de stand by, como si no fueran a terminar nunca. Afortunadamente, lo hacen. Una vez que se reinicia la acción, hay poco para molestarse y mucho para marcar. Los cantos del final son geniales, fueron una especie de premio a mi paciencia de lectora. A partir del XIX aparecen (y reaparecen) elementos que vuelven todo más dinámico.

Los personajes no están desarrollados psicológicamente. No hay una evolución paulatina de ellos, sino que actúan de forma radical. Aquiles, que rumia su cólera lejos del combate, puede ser tan bárbaro como piadoso, así como también Zeus parece tan omnipotente como amigable. Tal vez los matices no abunden, pero se me hizo imposible no ponerme del lado de alguno de los personajes para esperar que su destino (desde temprano, ellos mismos se van a encargar de avisar cómo y cuándo van a morir) no se cumpla. Por alguna razón, uno ya siente que los conoce y se vuelven naturales, de carne y hueso. Y aprendí que Zeus es implacable hasta cuando Hera lo distrae. Comentario femenino que no quiero omitir y que puede llegar a servir: en esa época las mujeres no eran más que objetos que en el "mejor" de los casos se utilizaban como premios y aseguraban descendencia y, en el peor, eran molestas, necesitaban un par de gritos e impulsaban riñas patéticas. Ese momento ya no se puede cambiar, pero sí se puede tener en cuenta antes de decidir revolear el libro por la ventana. Y además está Atenea como equilibrio, cuyas intervenciones son fascinantes y muy importantes. Las inmortales llevan una ligera ventaja en todo este asunto.

Ilíada requiere tiempo y atención, dos cosas necesarias para no abandonarla y que actualmente los libros se olvidan de pedirle al lector. Se aprende mucho más en sus páginas que en la búsqueda disgregada de algunos mitos y las repeticiones de Homero permiten descansar en algunos puntos para concentrarse en otros. La Historia, la filosofía, la forma de ver el mundo que poseían los griegos es material para un relectura (si es que no lo piden en la universidad, como es mi caso), pero la primera puede hacerse tranquilamente. Lo realmente "malo" de este libro es que lleva a leer más textos antiguos para completar el panorama y mi lista de to read lo está sufriendo. Y ya estoy en proceso de recuperación para seguir con la Odisea.
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“Hector! Dearest to me of all my husband’s brothers—
my husband, Paris, magnificent as a god ...
he was the one who brought me here to Troy—
Oh how I wish I’d died before that day!
But this, now, is the twentieth year for me
since I sailed here and forsook my own native land,
yet never once did I hear from you a taunt, an insult.
But if someone else in the royal halls would curse me,
one of your brothers or sisters or brothers’ wives
trailing their long robes, even your own mother—
not your father, always kind as my own father—
why, you’d restrain them with words, Hector,
you’d win them to my side ...
you with your gentle temper, all your gentle words.
And so in the same breath I moum for you and me,
my doom-struck, harrowed heart! Now there is no one left
in the wide realm of Troy, no friend to treat me kindly—
all the countrymen cringe from me in loathing!”


My Prince


P.S. Hollywood, how could you fail the movie?? This is basically one violent gruesome bloody fight scene after the other. Just get rid of Brad Pitt & Briseis love story subplot and you are half there! Jeez...
p.p.s. so much better than odyssey
p.p.p.s. I hate you, Athena. Don't you have anything to do other than getting in everyone's business??
April 1,2025
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101st book of 2021. Artist for this review is French painter Jacques-Louis David (1748-1825).

About time I finally read the whole thing. I studied The Odyssey alone during college because I messed up my third year exam on Hannibal Barca. I didn't fail, but I didn't get the grade I wanted. In my second year I'd dropped Psychology anyway (who knew there was so much science?) and took up their brand new course in Creative Writing. So I was staying an extra year anyway to finish that. I hit a hurdle though: they were dropping Hannibal Barca and instead studying Homer's The Odyssey; this meant I would have to attend first-year lectures as a third-year student. I declined and asked to do the preparing alone with the lecture notes. They advised me not to so I did that. I can't remember what I got but I remember feeling pretty arrogant about it, it wasn't bad. Anyway, through studying The Odyssey we (I) looked at Homer (the idea of Homer?) and fragments of The Iliad. I preferred The Odyssey in every way and never bothered to read the other, and had enough work to do anyway. So now I have.


"The Anger of Achilles"—1819

I'm going to go ahead and presume everyone knows the story and more importantly who dies in it. If you don't then don't read on, I'll be talking about the plot points of the text. I think our general culture has done a disservice to The Iliad and its plotting. The Iliad is centred around a particular, as the blurb identifies it, "episode" of the Trojan War. The arc is really about Achilles and not about Achilles—as most know, he sulks for most of the story. But the beginning of the "episode" triggers Achilles' sulk, which triggers the bloodshed that takes most of the story's time and energy, which becomes so bloody (and personal) that Achilles decides to stop sulking and finishes it all off at last. But not quite. The ending of The Iliad for me is more poignant than a fuller idea of the story as we see in Miller's version, The Song of Achilles, and the famous Brad Pitt film, Troy. After 300 pages of war between men and Gods, The Iliad ends on the idea that Achilles ultimately finds peace through virtue. Revenge does nothing; further revenge via attempting to mutilate the body does nothing; it is only by allowing Priam to take his son's body and give him a funeral that Achilles finds "peace". The Iliad ends. In a sense we have a rather "modern" character arc, selfishness to selflessness. We know Achilles later dies, we know about the big wooden horse, but none of this actually matters as Priam is kissing the hands of the man who killed his son and simply begging him to have time to grieve. Achilles' death is to do with the war and the end of The Iliad almost forgets the war. In some ways it makes me wonder if it the first anti-war piece of literature, that after all of that, Achilles' sulking for all those men to die, for Patroclus to die, for him to kill Hector even, all for nothing. Or, as Homer has it, all of that for Achilles to learn and exercise humanity.


"Male Nude known as Hector"—1778

The Iliad is inferior to The Odyssey but like I said in one of my updates, I have a soft spot for Odysseus and he is one of my favourite fictional ancient Greek/Roman heroes. Not all of the The Iliad is completely compelling. At times the constant descriptions of death begin to wear one down. Every person who dies in the poem is named, which gives them all a certain gravity but also makes it seem denser. As far as The Odyssey goes, with Odysseus as the character (and a better one than Achilles), the story being more varied and the concept of a man returning home perhaps being the most fundamental and almost the most important story there is, the idea of home, the self, family, etc., I can't accept it being lesser to this. But, to this day, The Iliad reverberates with the desire to be listened to, that mindless, incessant bloodshed leads to nothing and in the end all that is left are the grieving. So 4-stars for the ending alone with Achilles and Priam, though the rest deserves it too. Achilles is nothing compared to Odysseus. I'm hoping soon to compare them both with Aeneas. I can't decide that if a text as old as this still makes us think, does that make it a brilliant text or should it make us feel sad that there are still lessons (about war no less) that have not yet been learnt?


"The Funeral Games of Patroclus"—1778
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Rating:⭐⭐⭐⭐



I have only a few things to say.



It's definitely worth reading (duh) but you need to brace yourself for a slow-paced, overly detailed writing. (Like all the classics.) There's so much description and I found the dialogue pretty complex and long. (Again like all the classics.)

Agamemnon is unlikable and the only reason I hate Hector is because he killed Patroclus and he was my favourite. Achilles and Patroclus were meant as a couple, I've never been more convinced. The Song of Achilles had it right.

The whole thing reminded my of an Ancient Greek version of The Desperate Housewives or literally any other reality Tv show. Also, on a side note the gods reminded me of myself whenever I play The Sims.
April 1,2025
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If you believe in fate then I was fated to finish this book, it's another one of those books that I opened read 5 books of, and didn't pick it up again because I borrowed another book that scratched the same itch, that I didn't own, so I would rather read the borrowed book, than the book I know is mine forever, but yeah I always get emotional when I finish one of these opened books, because in a parallel Earth I wouldn't be alive to finish it.

Okay one of my biggest worries while ending this book was, where the hell is the trojan horse, how will Achilles die in this last book, I was mainly worried that this part of the story gets poorly told, with no details like a bullet review of the last days of the war.
Especially that I know the Odyssey was about the trip back and how Odysseus got lost in the sea.
It didn't happen though, Achilles is alive and well, Hector got handed back to his parents to mourn him, at this point of time for Tawfek, this war will see no more tragedy. The city of Ilion will stand tall and not invaded, and the Achaeans will sit and eat around their ships not feeling the passing of time, and not in a hurry to invade Ilion.

So I did some research, the story of the making of the horse gets touched upon lightly in chapter 5 of something of the Odyssey (which I also own, so I am safe!) but a nice surprise is it gets told in detail in the Aeneid by Virgil! (Which I also own, and I almost fought the publisher of it years ago when they refused to sell me part 2 after I bought part 1 from them when they didn't have part 2 out yet.) so great epics to look forward to reading in the future, I genuinely feel excited to continue living for a while because of books these days, nobody has suicidal thoughts more than me all the damn time.

This war is really weird, there is no evil people in the war, it's a war of honor, where the blame falls only on Paris, who doesn't want to hand over Helen.
Hector was defending his city, Achilles was taking revenge for his friend.
We had a few major emotional scenes one where Patroclus died, and another where Achilles found out, and the third was Hector dying and his family crying for his loss.
Those are men, who would stand in front of you in battle, shove their spear through your skull, and they were crying, so it seems at least when it comes to that part of society we went backward, I am speaking about the entire real men don't cry bullshit, these people were weeping for losing their loved ones, and doing much more than just crying too.

Reading this, I felt like 2700 years at least passed since the writing of this Epic, and guess what? we didn't make great strides in linguistics, everything was clear, yes this is translated, but they are not making up words, this is a literal translation, people were fully able to speak about everything at that age.
Another thing that surprised me, was how advanced they were knowing each part of the human body, yes it was through the destruction of these parts, but still, they knew every single organ, what each organ does, what's the thing inside the bones is called, I might be thinking about them like they are cavemen, but knowing how we function, should enable you to heal the body as well, not just destroy it, like these ferocious men.
Hell some words they had, needed to be translated into multiple words of our own, specially the ones that described certain kinds of ships and certain kinds of clothes.

Mythology! This was just a delight for Mythology lovers, there was a lot of myths being told about all these gods, hell I feel like I know their society inside and out after only reading 800 pages with the commentary, but don't be fooled, there is a lot of Myths not told, and most of these myths are told in short anyway, so they could be told in more details in another Greek play, I have put so many in my tbr even though I own more than 400 plays (Not all Greek my name isn't Adonis.)

Slaves, reading old literature always annoys me because of the entire slavery thing, and how it's mentioned too, because they don't mention slavery like it's something that people who get enslaved despise, no! They mention it as if everyone accepts it, you are a woman living with your husband he gets killed, and suddenly you are a slave, and suddenly you are okay with being a slave, or even in love with your new master, fuck that bullshit, it's one of the most offensive things I read about in old literature, but it's inevitable it's literally everywhere.

Gods are assholes.
Yes this is the title of this paragraph, man they are so bad I swear, they interfere in everything, not only war taking sides pickering over everything, fighting amongst each other.
They actually interfere in simple contests too! Apollon interfered by blowing the arrow of Diomidis just because he didn't pledge a sacrifice for him if he hit his target!
Half of these famous men in the war would actually be dead, if the gods didn't interfere time after time and hiding them inside clouds!

Reality check.
But here is a thing I was thinking about while reading, all these sons of gods actually have human parents, so the realistic conclusion is people keep saying we are a son of this god or that god, just to have infamy in war, for people to fear you. Oh I am fighting the son of Zeus, his father will surely help him, it's a mental warfare, you lose just because of the bullshit they make you believe.
And then all the times that gods embody another human in the war, to give advice that would keep the balance or give you an edge, reality is, they are the actual humans speaking and giving good advice, and again they are giving the gods credit, just so that their enemy fears their backing in the war.
And so on.

But we can't deny the magical atmosphere when we read ancient Greek Literature, it's like writing fantasy, but it's not fantasy, they believed this shit, they wholeheartedly believed in it, everything that happened was a sign of the gods, everything they did demanded a sacrifice to the gods so that they see it through, and it's fucking magical.
I remember reading this trilogy Alèxandros: Il figlio del sogno and the writer at some parts, like the fall of Athens for example, did the exact same thing, everything was a sign was an omen of the gods, these scenes felt suddenly like we were reading a fantasy novel not a historical novel, but that's how the Greeks told their stories, with the gods everywhere around them, because these stories were often about kings and great warriors, people who can actually make the costly sacrifices, of course the gods had to be there for their favored sons, and even though I do those reality checks, I make fun of all the "Bastards", I truly adore the hell out of this kind of story telling.

I read 5/24 Books of this back at the end of 2019, then this year I started from the beginning, and I now finished it, I won't edit the date started date finished, but this was finished in a much shorter time than what is recorded here on goodreads.
I expect next year to maybe read either the Odyssey or the Aeneid, we will see what happens.
I can probably make this review go on forever if I read the endless notes I put daily about this on goodreads, but no need for that.
April 1,2025
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nasıl anlatsam, nerden başlasam, mmm.

öncelikle şunu söyleyeyim: bu kitapta neler oluyor, kim ölüyor kim kalıyor, kim ne tanrısı... bunların hiçbir önemi yok ve ben de bunu anlatmayacağım zaten. bunların hepsine özet formunda erişmek çok kolay ve kimsenin ilyada'yla ilgili yorum olarak bunu dinlemek istediğini sanmıyorum. üstelik ilyada'nın olayı da bu değil.

ilyada'nın olayı şu: yaklaşık üç bin önce yazılmış bir şeyin, ondan sonra yazılmış her şeyden ileride olması. adam (homeros'a adam dedim hfdkgjh) milattan önce 800'de varoluşumuzun özünü anlamış, anlatmış, ne kadar insani duygu varsa hepsini yaşatmış. inanamadım okurken. yani bir savaş sahnesindeki coşkuyu da, sevdiği birinin ölüm haberini alınca yaşanan kederi de, aşkı da, kıskançlığı da, pişmanlığı da... her şeyi yazmış, HER ŞEYİ. dolayısıyla ilyada okumaya niyetlenirken derdimiz fakültenin karşısındaki kırtasiyeden mitoloji 101 ders notları fotokopisini almak değil, çok daha duygusal, insani bir yerden, üç bin yıl önceki insanlardan aslında pek de farklı olmadığımızı idrak etmek olmalı diye düşünüyorum ben. ve bir açıdan bakınca da bunun üzerine çok az şey koymuşuz insanlık olarak. edebiyattan, sanattan, her şeyden beklentim yükseldi ilyada okuyunca. dengem bozuldu, ama iyi bir yönde.

bir diğer değinmem gereken şey de şu: azra erhat ve a. kadir'in varlığına ne kadar şükretsek az. hele ki birçok konuda dezavantajlı bir coğrafyada yaşadığımızı düşününce bu işi böyle tutkuyla sevip nesillerce okur için böyle bir çeviri yapmak, böyle bir eser bırakmak... diyecek, övecek kelime bulamıyorum, sonsuz hayranlıkları hak ediyorlar. metnin güzelliğinden zerre götürmedikleri gibi daha da güzelleştirmişler. o ritmli şiirsellik olduğu gibi duruyor.

kitabı bir ayda, hiç acele etmeden, iki ayrı mitoloji sözlüğüne bakarak, tadını çıkara çıkara okudum. ve sık sık şunu düşündüm: şimdiye kadar gezdiğim tüm antik kentleri, tüm avrupa şehirlerini, müzeleri baştan gezmem gerek. hiçbir şey anlamamışım. dünyayı algılama şeklimi değiştirdi homeros. iyi ki iyi ki iyi ki. (ağlıyor)
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