To bøger til Platon for romantikere. Oprindelsen til "platonisk kærlighed". Og ét af de steder hvor Sokrates udlægger sin idé om at idéerne på en art måde er medfødte.

Dialogerne er for så vidt frodige, men håbløst umoderne, da det enkelte menneske i sin forgængelighed ikke er det endegyldige objekt for kærlighed, men derimod den uforgængelige ikke personlige visdom.

Der hvor Sokrates måske nok har fat i noget for mennesket i dag, er idet han anbefaler at man ikke lader sin egen lykke betinges af ét bestemt andet menneske, som den romantiske kærlighed har for vane at få os til at tro.

Two intriguing dialogues of Plato that are certainly more entertaining than philosophical, Plato discusses the nature of friendship, truth, and love. Along with course jokes and forthright opinions on homosexuality, these two dialogues are a good source to have on your shelf to reference the less discussed ideas of Platonic thought.

Brent McCulley

Two dialogues talking about love.

I have only read "Symposium", but I enjoyed some of the more narrative parts, and understood most of it at a young age. He was the "original" plagiarist (all writers are, really - some are just better at slight-of-hand and hiding it). You can quote me on that last bit.

Divin

Excellent translation and commentary! Good for an in-depth study of the dialogues.

There are three main reasons why people read Plato’s Phaedrus: love, rhetoric, and metempsychosis.

Most, I’d say, read it as an endeavor to uncover the meaning of love, to study the differences between the lover and the beloved, and to compare the non-lover to the lover. Then, there are the literature and philosophy students who are often required to read it while studying rhetoric. And, finally, there are those —like an old Druze friend of mine — who go to it to learn more about Plato’s idea of metempsychosis.

I was a curious (bored) student once, so I’ve naturally read Phaedrus multiple times for the above reasons. But today, as I find myself suffering from a mild hangover, I’m reading Phaedrus for entirely different reasons.

My Notes:
https://boredabsurdist.com/2024/01/03...

Fundamental

I give this work four stars rather than five only because I suspect the Benjamin Jowett translation is probably too rickety today. Jowett's readers knew Latin and Greek well, and would have no trouble following Plato's arguments. Of the two dialogues, I think the Phaedrus is by far the better, reaching the sublime at times. I liked it so much so that I will try to re-read it in a more modern translation as soon as I can.

With some amazing bits on memory and dialogue, I found these two texts really thought-provoking. But on the whole, there's a lot of tediousness to be gotten through. When you're set up immediately with the understanding that the "final truth" on any subject will rest with Socrates, I found that I read with a significant amount of indifference to what most of the other participants in the conversations had to say, and then very critically about what Socrates concludes. The narrative stuff is gold, though.

Good introductory translation but masks some of the beauty that makes Plato's work often worth reading.

El banquete presenta de formas muy interesantes el tema de cómo se concibe el Amor. Por ejemplo, habla de que en su forma más elevada ("Afrodita Urania"), se halla por encima de los afectos carnales y que concibe una descendencia inmortal: la creación intelectual. (entre otras ideas)

Pero realmente me sorprendió "Fedro/ la belleza" con los temas de retorica y dialéctica. Cómo se pueden presentar dos posiciones totalmente opuestas de forma igualmente atractiva si se domina el arte de manejar el discurso. Esto siempre y cuando se hable en conceptos que dependan de cierta subjetividad. Que peligroso. E intrigante.

Y qué suerte que la ingeniería no dependa de esto. (Pero sí otras cuestiones de importancia) :D

En fin, para mi este texto valdría la pena darlo en colegios... da para pensar.