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April 17,2025
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Sykes seems to be a mass producer of junk. Even the title is amazing: "our kids" as opposed to "their kids" whom should go to heck. Anyway, "our kids" feel so good many are on anti depressants, others do not reach that stage and kill themselves, and in some extreme cases they kill many others before being killed by the police. The remaining individuals feel so good about themselves that they need to bully others or are terribly traumatized by the bullying. Yet by OECD standards even if their reading levels can be below a certain expected level, they DO read, write and add. Only the clients of Sykes are the religious nuts thinking any supranational organization as Satan's creation.
April 17,2025
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Though this book presents slightly outdated stats and figures, the education philosophy and social criticism remains poignant and profound.
April 17,2025
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Though I don't agree with all his conclusions and I tend not be quite so alarmist, Sykes does present plenty of informtion for me to form more focused opinions on education. His theme is: emphasize academic achievement, and then will come self-esteem. He criticizes the education system of the last 50 years for spending too much time trying to falsely build up kids' confidences, while neglecting the thing that does that automatically: teaching children to master tasks and acquire knowledge.

I recommend reading portions of this book: I particularly liked chapters 4,5,6,8,and 10. I think the chapter on values (12) is scary, but it reminds me of the fine line teachers must walk when it comes to teaching morality (ie., I want a moral classroom for my kids, but it's not the teacher's job to instill MY values and MY morals). Finally, I recommend chapter 20 for concrete ideas on improving education.

(One caveat: Read the author's statistics carefully, because sometimes he seems to turn them to his benefit. One fact said something like...only a third of the children could point out all 50 states, and 25% couldn't locate Washington D.C....or something to that effect. Anyhow, his second percentage would actually be an argument against his point because it means that 75% could locate the city, but he pairs it with the similar figure of "a third", and I suppose hopes that no one notices. But I do notice trivial things like that. My point is that he does have an agenda, so I took everything with a grain of salt.)
April 17,2025
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I lived this. I grew up with the experience of being home schooled, being enrolled in private school, and finally the public school system.

This laid out what many of us, as students surmised.......that no one knew what they were doing.

April 17,2025
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Numbers tell us that this national is in a academic decline, with its highest 10% of students matched with those of the middle 50% in Asia. It is a reality our nations so called "educationists" are unwilling to accept, and one in which American kids are wholly oblivious to as they wander the halls gossiping about the latest show on mad T.V without a speck of knowledge about how or when the television even came about because such information are labeled as trivial and futile in creating "well-rounded citizens". Class rooms across the nation have employed a methodology of teaching called "outcome based education", and the traditional courses of mathematics, history, and the sciences have essentially been stripped of their meaning as educationists ruthlessly attack the very essence of learning itself. Charles J. Sykes elucidates this occurring national crisis, albeit one that many myopic individuals would consider to be negligible, by presenting the reader with hard, empirical facts that point to the egregious failures of this nations seemingly avant-garde methodology of teaching.
April 17,2025
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Dumbing Down Our Kids is an expansive (but not chronologically organized) history of educational fads and failed reforms from the 1920’s through the mid-1990’s, complete with numerous spine-chilling anecdotes of outlandish teachers, classes, and curricula. Sykes doesn’t quite put it like this, but his book shows that U.S. education is largely a story of traditional, fairly successful, basics-focused education giving way to the trendy, “progressive” ideas born of the educational theorists in the academically mediocre Education Departments of the nation’s universities, resulting in students’ decreased ability to read, write, and compute, until the disaster becomes obvious enough that there is a return to basics, only to give way again a few years later to the same inane trends under different names, in a never-ending loop of “back-to-basic” and “progressive” approaches in which any educational gains are wiped out every few years. What kind of public school education you receive depends largely on where you happen to hit this cycle when you enter your local school.



One would think this book was out of date, having been published in 1995, but the point is that educational fads have a way of circling back again. It was written not long after I graduated from high school, so I recognized some of the educational ideologies from my own experience, “cooperative learning” being the major one. I only very nearly escaped the “open classroom” fad; it was going on in the elementary school for which I was zoned, but as my mother was a public school teacher, at the time she was permitted to send me to another public school of her choice, one that was fortunately not expecting children to learn from osmosis in a chaotic environment. Other educational ideologies detailed in this book I did not experience myself, but I recognize them from my daughter’s first year in public school – the most notable being “whole language” (also known as “creative spelling” or “language experience”), the excessive promotion of groundless “self-esteem,” and the “mainstreaming” of children who would better benefit (and less distract other students) in separate classes.



Nearly all of the teaching methodologies and ideologies the author denounces I believe to be, based on my own experience or that of my daughter, entirely worthy of harsh criticism. And because of this, I give the book three stars. It does not receive five stars, however, because, like most educational books of its kind, it relies far too heavily on anecdotal evidence, often presenting the extreme case as the normative case. I can pull out a handful of horrifying anecdotes from my own years of public schooling (an English teacher who did not know the difference between an adjective from an adverb and taught us incorrectly; a math teacher who regularly showed up late for class, taught us very little math, and allowed us to earn A’s and B’s with extra credit assignments that involved, among other things, making paper airplanes; a P.E. teacher who brought his students to tears), but these stand out as exceptions for me in a sea of otherwise good teachers. While I certainly felt that “cooperative learning” was a royal waste of time, with a 6.5 hour school day, one manages to learn enough real information despite all that, provided cooperative learning is not ALL the teacher is doing. I can read, write, and add, thank you very much.



The problem with these books is that there is no way to tell if these outrageous tendencies are indicative of even an entire school, let alone an entire town, an entire state, or an entire country. While such inadequate methods should be decried and replaced, I think it goes a bit far to say our children can’t “read, write, or add.” I would also like to know more about these international comparison in which the U.S. figures so horribly. What are these “international tests”? Who writes them? Who administers them? Who takes them? I don’t ever recall being given one myself. And how does one compare reading and writing ability in international tests, anyway – when one considers that French and Spanish and Korean, say, are rather different languages than English. I never feel like I get an explanation of this in any educational book, and I certainly did not in this one. At least this book confronted one of my objections to such comparisons. I have always thought that, given the compulsory nature of our education system, it wasn’t really fair to compare us to a place like Korea, where education is a privilege and not a legal mandate, and where the slow and disobedient eventually get kicked out of school. Sykes does address this, noting that all of these other nations DO have compulsory schooling through elementary level, though it does become selective in junior high and high school, but the U.S. still falls behind on elementary school test comparisons – so that excuse for American failure is inadequate.



In addition to failed educational methods, Sykes addresses sex education curriculum; sex-abuse prevention curriculum (here I disagreed with him most, as I find this curriculum fairly reasonable and helpful); and the excessive use of (and overly subjective criteria for) the “learning disabled” label (another point I can agree with based on my own personal experience of narrowly escaping such a label despite being a satisfactory student at the time and an exceptional student years later).



And what are his suggestions for improving the U.S. education system? He notes that there are successful schools throughout the country, some private, some public, some in affluent suburbs, some in inner cities – but research shows they all consistently have three major things in common (notably, you will NOT find among them either funding or class-size): (1) Emphasis on “pupil mastery of low level skills” and consistent “attention to the progress of all students in…reading, writing, and computation,” (2) high expectations and a willingness to fail students who do not meet standards, and (3) constant monitoring and evaluation of student progress. How to get more schools to share these successful characteristics? Unfortunately, he argues, it won’t be easy because of a deeply entrenched, bureaucratic, union-protected, monopoly public school system. (And not much has changed since he wrote this book over ten years ago, except that the federal government now has even more control over education than it did then.) We have to get rid of this idea that support for “public education” necessarily means support for the public school SYSTEM and seek public financing of education without necessarily demanding public production. But if we’re ever to get anywhere near a solution to our educational woes, Sykes suggest, we’ll first need to eliminate the federal Department of Education and all 50 state departments and open up entry to the teaching profession to non-“educationists” by abolishing current teacher certification requirements. I happen to agree, but … yeah … good luck with that.



All in all, it’s a decent book, providing a lot of information, and giving the reader an understanding of what educational theories (such as “outcome based education”) truly mean in practice. It could be better organized; there could be less redundancy, and the anecdotes could be put in a broader statistical context rather than left to imply a normative, universal state. (There are plenty of statics regarding test scores and funding and such, but not a great many regarding, say, percentage of schools or teachers using phonics vs. whole language). Like many books on education, I think he expects too much of teachers and ignores student limitations. For a rare book that takes these (and other) limitations into account, read Charles Murray’s Real Education instead.

April 17,2025
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I purchased this book in 1997. There are 5 Sections. Section 2 and Section 5 did it for me.
April 17,2025
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Thought this was pretty darn good. It's like an updated version of John Holt's stuff. It's about time the system was questioned, not the teachers.
April 17,2025
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A clear, well-written expose on the appalling state of education in modern America. Sykes chronicles the repetitive history of the progressive education movement and consistently demonstrates the failure by comparison to the tried-and-true traditional methods. The effect of the current self-esteem emphasis can be summarized in Sykes observation that US high school students ranked lowest on an international comparison of mathematics scores but highest in student self-assessment of those same skills. The armada of social workers, specialists, and psychologists hired to combat non-existent problems has resulted in a teaching staff that are expected to be many things they are not. More importantly, a lot of them seem to dabble in psychology without the requisite training ("Your parents don't understand you, but we do.") The examples (particularly in Petaluma), show kids encouraged to report their parents for any action the kids do not like. These same students are faced with a curriculum that fosters selfishness (Essay: "I want..." "I'm going to..." etc). Sykes explains some of this through the possibility that each generation tries to protect their children from what they went through. The WWII generation went through hard times and worked hard to supply material happiness for their families. Their children, the Baby Boomers felt they missed out mostly on emotional happiness and seek that for their children. [return][return]Sykes portrays the failure of the pure self-esteem approach in contrast to a system of developing confidence through striving and competition. American society and the global economy are competitive -- it can be a rude awakening for someone who has never encountered it before. Sykes also discusses the full range of "don't blame me" defenses posited by the education establishment and backed by equally defensive parents. The array of medical maladies ebb and flow with the availability of specialists and special programs. Even the esteemed Dalton school reversed it's numbers dramatically twice within a 10-year period. The incessant basis on ideology instead of solid science is both indicative of the poor education of the advocates and also dis-proven when actually measured by someone who knows what they are doing (even if they set out to prove the opposite in the first place). It strikes me that rather than eliminate the alleged wasteful process of testing, we have moved and consolidated the process into one very important test that begins on the first day of the first job. Showing the roots of the progressive movement, the "belongingness" of the 1940's held that teachers did not have time to test, that children who didn't embrace the opportunity for open, unstructured learning were "ill," and they there is no room for loners or the ambitious. The poor respect for history also allows the educrats to miss that their philosophy dates as far back as Rousseau's Emile. Even John Dewey maintained that the teachers had to at least know their subject in order to be able to teach it. My own conclusion from this and other instances that I've observed is that one cannot recognize progress without knowing the classics. (I think often of the number of people I know who put forth some equivalent to Pascal's Wager as if they were the first to ever think of it on their own.)[return][return]The best case study in support of Sykes' point comes from the Barclay shool system in Maryland, in which Gertrude Williams adopted the Calvert home system, got grass roots support, backing from the Rhodes educated mayor, and built a successful program very quickly. More important than anything else, the "progressive" movements continuously attempts to squelch the individualist in any student and instead promotes the like-mindedness of it's own system.
April 17,2025
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By the title, this book sounds like an apocalyptic warning for parents about their children's educations. I was not too far off on that guess. The author emphasises the slow but sure lowering of standards in America's schools, explaining that instead of striving to make students smarter, educators are trying to make schools lower their standards to achieve the same effect without disappointing students with failing grades. The message of the book was good and made me think about my own education, but the book was tedious overall. This book would have been just as effectively presented in a short essay.
April 17,2025
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Charles Sykes chronicles a detailed (and at times, painfully thorough) look into the declining public school system. This book is a must-read (or a must-glance-over) for every parent of a child attending public education.
The book divides itself into two parts. There are chapters explaining what exactly is failing at schools and why. These include topics on textbooks, declining SATs, omitted curriculum, and the insidious rise of "pychological" educating. Then, interspersed within the book, are chapters titled "From the Front Lines." These infuriating stories are from real schools, involving real teachers and real children.

While parents may chorus "This is not happening at our schools," at least this book gives a look at what is happening in many other schools. It also places the parent on the alert of what could occur inside their schools without vigilance.


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